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radarlove said:
How does the pay compare? I mean for the new-hire, who'll get F.O. on the RJ at JBLU vs. right seat in the 319 at Frontier?
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Didn't know jetBlue was getting RJ's?

Here we go again.
 
What are the schedules like at the two? Average days off? That can really make a difference in QOL, especially with a commute. How about reserve call-out? It seems we all make decisions on where to work by just the company financials and how much they pay. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but that's just a small part of how we should be making our decisions on where to spend the rest of our careers.

So those of you in the know: tell us some of the highlights of the work rules at the two.

Thanks!
 
I have to echo RiteSideUp's comments. We interviewed together and F9 is truly a class act. From the CEO to the clothing sales clerk; everyone seemed genuine and happy. Not only that, but they went out of their way to make you feel welcome and get to know you. Their QOL sounds pretty good too - one of the most flexible scheduling policies in the industry, even if you're junior.

I agree with those who mention commuting. I wouldn't have as much fun commuting to any job as living local, so that's something you have to ask yourself. I've heard JB is awesome too and yes, their growth plan is more agressive, etc. It's very tough with the dynamic nature of the industry to make a career choice based on anything other than pure QOL. That and a reasonable look at a company's financials. If a company can compete and thrive (which I believe in) based on customer service, attitude, and sound decision-making at the corporate level, then I believe companies like Frontier, JetBlue and AirTran will all do just fine. If not, I hope to never look back with regrets, because based on what I've seen of F9 I sincerely doubt I will have any.

Best of luck in your endeavors.

M3
 
Hair-on-Fire said:
huh?

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got two guys i have been trying to get on for over two years...they are jet captains with over 8000 hours....5000 PIC....no luck at B6. they still have a great attitude and are waiting patiently...it just seems there are a tremendous amount of folks trying to get on at B6 with over 10K plus apps??? so...easier to go with someone else and get some seniority!
 
radarlove said:
How does the pay compare? I mean for the new-hire, who'll get F.O. on the RJ at JBLU vs. right seat in the 319 at Frontier?

Also, how long to make left seat at the 'bus for both, for a new-hire?
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You won't get the Embraer at Jetblue unless you want it. You actually have a choice.

It's definitely not an RJ. I have flown over 1500 people on the Emb-190 during the last 4 days and have heard nothing but raves about how comfortable the airplane is (And the TV's aren't working yet). The worst comment I have heard is that the PA is waaaaay too loud when the pilots speak on it. It's a great flying airplane and the bugs seem to be getting worked out. It's going to be tough to compete with on our shuttle ops.

No one can predict what's going to happen in 5 or 10 years, so go with your gut and never look back....:beer:
 
Upgrade.
I think if there is a 'breakout' (new base expansion) an upgrade will follow within a year. The question is "who will be first to make the leap"?
I gotta think F9.
 
crashpad said:
Upgrade.
I think if there is a 'breakout' (new base expansion) an upgrade will follow within a year. The question is "who will be first to make the leap"?
I gotta think F9.
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I can't say much about what F9 is up to, but I'm confident that we will announce a new base within 6 months, and it will be Boston. Of course, I could be totally full of Schlitz.
 
Thanks for all the input. I guess my main concern with Frontier right now is the slow growth they have had over the years. Sure it is picking up right now but with only 1 domicile and SWA moving into their backyard it does concern me some. Not that I think SWA will run them out of DEN but I am sure it will hurt. Of course SWA and AWA have competed in PHX for a long time.
 
I am biased, but both jobs have their pros and cons. Jeff Potter came in to our ground school and did a down and dirty analysis of the "southwest" affect on some f9 frontier routes. It was very refreshing and a testament to the atmoshphere here at frontier. At my last two airlines, the ceos were also young but they felt the need to talk down to pilots and try and wow people with their huge brains. Not the case here, Potter is smart but he is also very affable and down to earth, and that seems to be the case across the board. He also mentioned what he considered to be a logical and sustainable annual growth rate. With that being said, I have friends at both airlines and they all love their jobs and the people they work with.

To continue with the F9 lovefest, today in class the director of training came in and was trying to figure out how many computers they could fit in the room. The classes scheduled for next year are going to be bigger than planned, possibly doubled. Can I get a "fuk yeah"!!!!
 
I don't know if this carries any weight, but I'm in newhire class at JB right now. We have a guy in our class who spent a year and a half at Frontier flying the Airbus, and he seems to think JB is a lot better place to be.
Good Luck,
Bob
 
Bob_Sacamano said:
I don't know if this carries any weight, but I'm in newhire class at JB right now. We have a guy in our class who spent a year and a half at Frontier flying the Airbus, and he seems to think JB is a lot better place to be.
Good Luck,
Bob
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I really do like Jetblue. JETBLUE IS doing very well and growing really fast :)

I dont think this carries any weight, but I have a couple of friends at Jetblue with staggered seniority, one senior (LGB) and one junior (JFK).Both guys are noncomplainers, honest and hard working diligent family men. They say Jetblue is fine but not as GREAT as it is being "sold" as.... In fact, they are kinda tired of the hype and they are a little concerned of the future. I told them they should be thankful that their airline is GROWING and that every airline pilot is worried about their future.

My advice:

1) PICK the airline that suits your need(commuting)
2) prepare for the worst case scenario
3) DONT listen to all the complainers


Goodluck-----------> Both airlines are GOOD for "NOW"

CYA
 
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AnimalTale said:
...every airline pilot is worried about their future.
CYA
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AnimalTale Translation:

"After the breakfast burrito kicks in, I praise french made oilly-waifer-absorbing seats as I'm prairiedogging it on short final."
 
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crashpad said:
AnimalTale Translation:

"After the breakfast burrito kicks in, I praise french made oilly-waifer-absorbing seats as I'm prairiedogging it on short final."
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Let me get this straight - you actually re-edited that post so it made more sense? You got me worried, there, Crashpad...
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StaySeated said:
To continue with the F9 lovefest, today in class the director of training came in and was trying to figure out how many computers they could fit in the room. The classes scheduled for next year are going to be bigger than planned, possibly doubled. Can I get a "fuk yeah"!!!!
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Along those same lines, I just found out that instead of 52 remaining pilot hires, we are looking at 140 between December and September '06. Amen, brutha. Good time to get on at F9.
 
Originally Posted by StaySeated
To continue with the F9 lovefest, today in class the director of training came in and was trying to figure out how many computers they could fit in the room. The classes scheduled for next year are going to be bigger than planned, possibly doubled. Can I get a "fuk yeah"!!!!
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StaySeated, I'm glad you came aboard and hope you are enjoying your class. All I can say for now is that you couldn't have started at a better time.

Regarding the B6 vs F9 thread, I have nothing negative to say about B6. I have met the Pilot recruiters and they are great. The cultures are similar. I would just recommend picking the company that best meets your needs.

I do have to tell you that the F9 pilot group is the best in the industry (ok, maybe I'm a bit biased). The fact that they are as involved in the hiring process as they are (voluntary I might add), is a testament to the commitment of these individuals. Frontier is fortunate to have a group of individuals who represent the values of the organization. To them, thank you for all you do.

 
LOL Crashpad,

Now everytime I go get breakfast I will have that pleasant thought running around my little pea brain. But where I grew up we called them turtleheads HAHAHA.

StaySeated,

Fuk Yeah!!!!!!!!

Jetalc,

Now them are some numbers that both you and I can live with. Hallelujah!!!!!!

Going back to on-topic, if you are moving to Denver I think the choice would be a no brainer (but I am biased). I did the commute with the fracs for 4.5 years, and even with having a ticket it still sucked. Now having to do it and deal with whether the flight is full, etc., etc. You can take your days off and take away at least 1/4 of them because they will be wasted commuting.

There is much more to QOL than the all mighty dollar that you bring home from your paycheck.

Jetsi
 
jetalc said:
Along those same lines, I just found out that instead of 52 remaining pilot hires, we are looking at 140 between December and September '06. Amen, brutha. Good time to get on at F9.
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Hey all,

Is there going to be one more interview session after December 1, before we ring in the New Year??? And, why the increase in hiring numbers? Thanks.
 
I heard somewhere around the 20th of December. I would imagine calls have gone out for the 1st, but make sure you have your stuff in and that you have at least one letter of rec. I couldn't speak to the increase in hiring forecast, but maybe some of the folks that have been on a while could. What say you guys? How about you F9Recruiter?

Good luck!

M3
 
The increase in hiring numbers is due to an increase in monthly block hours, or so they said in ground school. 7 new cities to be announced, and I believe at least one of them is a very popular vacation destination located around 150 West. Just starting the rumor. Hope everyone has a great holiday. Fly safe.
 
StaySeated said:
The increase in hiring numbers is due to an increase in monthly block hours, or so they said in ground school. 7 new cities to be announced, and I believe at least one of them is a very popular vacation destination located around 150 West. Just starting the rumor. Hope everyone has a great holiday. Fly safe.
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How's that....ETOPS?
 

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