Frontier guys: it's slipping away from you

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DALLAS, TX (KERA) -

Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly says one issue could break the deal Southwest has proposed for bankrupt Frontier Airlines, of Denver. A winning bidder could be announced this week. KERA's Bill Zeeble has more

Assuming Southwest's hundred-70 million dollar takeover bid for Frontier beats competitor Republic, Kelly says he'll stop the deal cold if Southwest and Frontier employees are in conflict.

Kelly: I won't go forward unless we have an agreement with their labor. And you see examples around the country where airlines have acquired other airlines and then left it up to unions over years to fight it out over a period of years. We're not going to do that.

When Fort Worth's American Airlines bought TWA, union groups from both carriers remained in conflict for a long time.

Kelly says Southwest employees and the corporate culture are too important to upend. He says he respects Frontier's workers but says if they end up working for Southwest, their pay would rise significantly.
 
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DALLAS, TX (KERA) -

Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly says one issue could break the deal Southwest has proposed for bankrupt Frontier Airlines, of Denver. A winning bidder could be announced this week. KERA's Bill Zeeble has more

Assuming Southwest's hundred-70 million dollar takeover bid for Frontier beats competitor Republic, Kelly says he'll stop the deal cold if Southwest and Frontier employees are in conflict.

Kelly: I won't go forward unless we have an agreement with their labor. And you see examples around the country where airlines have acquired other airlines and then left it up to unions over years to fight it out over a period of years. We're not going to do that.

When Fort Worth's American Airlines bought TWA, union groups from both carriers remained in conflict for a long time.

Kelly says Southwest employees and the corporate culture are too important to upend. He says he respects Frontier's workers but says if they end up working for Southwest, their pay would rise significantly.
Ummm....not really sure this is anything new or different....and certainly not a "slipping away' moment. Labor agreement has been a cornerstone since the very first press release.
 

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Read it carefully. This is brand-new, and has Gary Kelly saying that Frontier labor stop the deal. Since the auction is...tomorrow, I wouldn't dismiss this. Read the old stories and see if you see Gary Kelly saying this.
I know the press release is new, but the content is not. Both side are talking, and much more talking will take place one the winner is announced. If Southwest is the winner, I am sure that a deal can be achieved.
 

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I'm going to be a dick and just say it.

F9 guys should be pay protected, stapled and thank SWA for the opportunity to fly for the most productive and highest paying 737 operator in the world. Beats the HELL out of bankruptsy and possible chapter 7.

Suit on,
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F9 pilots need to see how much SWA really wants the deal.

NWA pilots didn't stop the DAL/NWA deal from proceeding and still got a fair deal in the end.

Titanium nerves. Go throw up in the trash if you have too but keep a steady hand and play it till the fat lady sings F9, otherwise you will be the SWA bitches the rest of your careers and you will always be told how good your crap sandwich tastes.
 

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F9 pilots need to see how much SWA really wants the deal.

NWA pilots didn't stop the DAL/NWA deal from proceeding and still got a fair deal in the end.

Titanium nerves. Go throw up in the trash if you have too but keep a steady hand and play it till the fat lady sings F9, so you can be the Republic bitches the rest of your careers and you will always be told how good your crap sandwich tastes.

I edited it so it makes sense. Midwest guys watched her sing too. They're doing great.

I would take the bird in the hand, but then again, I know what you guys would be missing out on.
 

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I'm going to be a dick and just say it.

F9 guys should be pay protected, stapled and thank SWA for the opportunity to fly for the most productive and highest paying 737 operator in the world. Beats the HELL out of bankruptsy and possible chapter 7.

Suit on,
Gup
Gup, in many ways, you speak the truth. And that is likely what will happen, and if it does we will shut up and work every day to continue to make Southwest the great airline it is, just like we worked everyday to make Frontier a great airline.

And yes, it would be nice to wake up and not have to read the papers daily wondering if I have a job. Of course after we figure out how many hundred more furloughs have to occur from the purchase....
 

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Ummm....not really sure this is anything new or different....and certainly not a "slipping away' moment. Labor agreement has been a cornerstone since the very first press release.

Apparently 'Da Judge' has spoken and wants a labor deal in place by midnight tonight :eek:
 

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I hope to see all F9 guys on our senority. You will not be remided about anything. We all came here our own way. I will say welcome aboard lets get 123 my treat. Heck I will even buy premium stuff for F9 guys the first year if they so like. Once you are on the list regardless were...WELCOME. Lets put it behind us and enjoy.
 

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F9 pilots need to see how much SWA really wants the deal.

NWA pilots didn't stop the DAL/NWA deal from proceeding and still got a fair deal in the end.

Titanium nerves. Go throw up in the trash if you have too but keep a steady hand and play it till the fat lady sings F9, otherwise you will be the SWA bitches the rest of your careers and you will always be told how good your crap sandwich tastes.
Great Advice from someone with no dog in the fight. Why not just tell them to buy SRS ( 3x short Commercial real estate) Might be good idea might not, but I sure am not going to tell someone else how to gamble everything. JMO

PS no mater they will be no bitch . They will be treated very well.
 

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Apparently 'Da Judge' has spoken and wants a labor deal in place by midnight tonight :eek:
You guys better tell your FAPA union prez to start nodding his head yes to everything, or say hello to RJ heaven. I hear that lots of guys have retired from Republic as millionaires. Not.
 

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Maybe the F9 guys would rather go to Republic. They might not get stapled there...and they could be pulling gear for some 24 year old EMB 145 Captain. Sounds like a better deal huh?

Also heard that about half the F9 folks have apps in at WN and were looking to come to the bottom of the list anyway.

You will get pay protected and Denver for you. So what do you have to lose?
 

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This will be no Morris deal for F9. You take the staple and you stay on the bottom--IF you're lucky.

I love the SWA people but I got the "lucky to have a job" thrown in my face (until, of course, I got laid off) and it's bull$h!t.

If the SWA guys really want to treat them fair, go to arbitration and make your case. You might be pleasantly surprised.

But, this "we F'ed you because we could" thing is just another word for 'seat grab'.

Good luck to all.

TC
 

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You guys better tell your FAPA union prez to start nodding his head yes to everything, or say hello to RJ heaven. I hear that lots of guys have retired from Republic as millionaires. Not.

Dude, I'm on your side :cool:
 

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I hope to see all F9 guys on our senority. You will not be remided about anything. We all came here our own way. I will say welcome aboard lets get 123 my treat. Heck I will even buy premium stuff for F9 guys the first year if they so like. Once you are on the list regardless were...WELCOME. Lets put it behind us and enjoy.

I will buy premium too!
 

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HMM... Maybe AAI could throw a bid out and guarantee a decent integration with AAI and throw SWA out of DEN! Face it. SWA hasn't been doing well out of Den and F9 pilots could merge well with AAI. Boeing Capital could replace the Bus with new 737's and SWA would continue to bleed in DEN. A F9 merger and AAI would make the most sense. Everyone would keep their releative seniority, youd have a great route structure, and SWA would be backpedling!
 

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Maybe the F9 guys would rather go to Republic. They might not get stapled there...and they could be pulling gear for some 24 year old EMB 145 Captain. Sounds like a better deal huh?

Also heard that about half the F9 folks have apps in at WN and were looking to come to the bottom of the list anyway.

You will get pay protected and Denver for you. So what do you have to lose?
FWIW most of the F9 folks also probably have apps in with jetblue, Airtran, Virgin America, yada yada....bancruptcy makes you do crazy things!
 

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HMM... Maybe AAI could throw a bid out and guarantee a decent integration with AAI and throw SWA out of DEN! Face it. SWA hasn't been doing well out of Den and F9 pilots could merge well with AAI. Boeing Capital could replace the Bus with new 737's and SWA would continue to bleed in DEN. A F9 merger and AAI would make the most sense. Everyone would keep their releative seniority, youd have a great route structure, and SWA would be backpedling!
Been off the planet for a while with no computer access? Welcome back to Earth, but you're just a little late.
 

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AA,

Man I'm trying to be diplomatic here. Work with me!

I love F9. Used to fly for them and I wish NOTHING bad to come of them - as long as my current wife and kids (SWA) doesn't get hurt. I get defensive when you mess with MY family.

I made the sacrifice almost 10 years ago to quit Frontier. I gave up seniority. I gave up security for starting over, once again, at the bottom of SWA's list so I could EARN seniority the old fashioned way - growth and retirements.

This is not a merger. This is a purchase.

Therefore I just don't see why any Frontier pilot, who CHOSE to stay at Frontier at any time or especially when the future started getting cloudy, deserves ONE SINGLE SENIORITY NUMBER ahead of the very last SWA pilot.

Gup
 
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