Frontier Airlines

[chqflyer]

What were the other options again?

FAPA, aka RPC, or the teamsters. We didn't feel that the F9 union would have our interests at heart just as the F9 pilots knew the teamsters would not have their interests at heart either. There really was no reasonable way that this could've ever worked out. Republic is not now, nor will it ever be a "career" airline. 95% of the pilots here know that and will be gone once they hit 1001 hours of turbine PIC.

 

[Flying Illini]

FAPA, aka RPC, or the teamsters. We didn't feel that the F9 union would have our interests at heart just as the F9 pilots knew the teamsters would not have their interests at heart either. There really was no reasonable way that this could've ever worked out. Republic is not now, nor will it ever be a "career" airline. 95% of the pilots here know that and will be gone once they hit 1001 hours of turbine PIC.

Oh I know, I was just illustrating why the IBT won so handily compared to the "competition." I left shortly after I voted to strike and well short of the 1000 121 TPIC.


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[chqflyer]

Oh I know, I was just illustrating why the IBT won so handily compared to the "competition." I left shortly after I voted to strike and well short of the 1000 121 TPIC.


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Congratulations on your escape from the asylum! ??

 

[StaySeated]

FAPA, aka RPC, or the teamsters. We didn't feel that the F9 union would have our interests at heart just as the F9 pilots knew the teamsters would not have their interests at heart either. There really was no reasonable way that this could've ever worked out. Republic is not now, nor will it ever be a "career" airline. 95% of the pilots here know that and will be gone once they hit 1001 hours of turbine PIC.

The RPC was a last ditch attempt by the Frontier pilots to maintain some form of actual representation.

We approached the IBT and asked for our own Local. They initially said "maybe" but then realized they had a 2000 - 700 advantage in the voters so they eventually said "no way".

We approaced ALPA and they saw Airways-America West all over again and politely declined.

RPC was the exact structure we showed the IBT. One Joint Council with two Locals. Each Local keeps everything they generate but the Joint provides admin and representation including outside consultants like Oliver Wyman and Faegre Benson. I can only guess that you guys would have a CBA today if you employed true outside professionals vs IBT Golden Goose Chokers (no disrespect to Capt D, I admire what he has accomplished over his careers).

Any whoo, here we are.

 

[SAABaroowski]

When is the F9 contract amendable?

 

[CrownandCoke]

The RPC was a last ditch attempt by the Frontier pilots to maintain some form of actual representation.

We approached the IBT and asked for our own Local. They initially said "maybe" but then realized they had a 2000 - 700 advantage in the voters so they eventually said "no way".

We approaced ALPA and they saw Airways-America West all over again and politely declined.

RPC was the exact structure we showed the IBT. One Joint Council with two Locals. Each Local keeps everything they generate but the Joint provides admin and representation including outside consultants like Oliver Wyman and Faegre Benson. I can only guess that you guys would have a CBA today if you employed true outside professionals vs IBT Golden Goose Chokers (no disrespect to Capt D, I admire what he has accomplished over his careers).

Any whoo, here we are.

RPC would have been much better for the Republic guys, but they are blind. Of course, they work for sub-standard wages and take the abuse from management on a daily basis, so really, nothing less should be expected

 

[StaySeated]

RPC would have been much better for the Republic guys, but they are blind. Of course, they work for sub-standard wages and take the abuse from management on a daily basis, so really, nothing less should be expected

I believe we could have done a much better job working together. Honestly anything is better than what the IBT has provided them but I don't think it is fair to call them blind. They have been led down a road to failure by an E-Board that has failed in every metric.

 

[saab fixr]

the question has to be are the F9 pilots going to be any better off with the investment group?

 

[chqflyer]

The RPC was a last ditch attempt by the Frontier pilots to maintain some form of actual representation.

Republic pilots were still reeling from the scandals of the previous local. FAPA could have easily swept the election. The RPC thing was just downright sketchy. Seriously, anonymous letters in our v-files and anonymous phone calls to vote RPC, some phantom group no one knew anything about, was not the way to go. So we basically had two ******************** sandwiches to choose from. Eat one or starve.

 

[Flying Illini]

Republic pilots were still reeling from the scandals of the previous local. FAPA could have easily swept the election. The RPC thing was just downright sketchy. Seriously, anonymous letters in our v-files and anonymous phone calls to vote RPC, some phantom group no one knew anything about, was not the way to go. So we basically had two ******************** sandwiches to choose from. Eat one or starve.

That's a huge understatement. My vote (and many others) was FAPA's to lose which they did in spectacular fashion. It was a head scratcher how and why that was the best effort that they could come up with (talking about the RPC). Seriously, the Teamsters delivered this pilot group to them on a silver platter. Honestly though, I truly believe that even with FAPA as the representation that they would be no closer to a TA than they are today under the IBT. FAPA saw an entirely different side of BB and WH and if they had been installed as the representation I think mgmts true colors would have become very apparent.

 

[SAABaroowski]

the question has to be are the F9 pilots going to be any better off with the investment group?

Absolutely

 

[StaySeated]

the question has to be are the F9 pilots going to be any better off with the investment group?

We have no idea what we are going to get with the investor, but we know exactly what we have with the IBT. The short answer at this point is "yes" we are better off with the investor due to the fact that ANYTHING is better than the IBT. Especially this Local.

 

[johnsonrod]

Where will the Republic C-Series orders go????

What's the likelihood Republic will also sell the Bombardier C-Series positions along with the airline? If Frontier is to become another ULCC, won't it need more airplanes than Frontier currently has on order (NEOs)? Of course 2 aircraft types would complicate things a bit...

 

[StaySeated]

What's the likelihood Republic will also sell the Bombardier C-Series positions along with the airline? If Frontier is to become another ULCC, won't it need more airplanes than Frontier currently has on order (NEOs)? Of course 2 aircraft types would complicate things a bit...

Who knows, I wouldn't be surprised if the C-Series is cancelled outright. The concept is basically dependent on a large Air Canada order later this year. They only have 170 firm orders at this point, after more than two years of marketing.

I am also unsure if RAH can operate the C-series (the version they ordered) as I believe it exceeds every scope limit found at the various legacy carriers.

 

[johnsonrod]

Who knows, I wouldn't be surprised if the C-Series is cancelled outright. The concept is basically dependent on a large Air Canada order later this year. They only have 170 firm orders at this point, after more than two years of marketing.

I am also unsure if RAH can operate the C-series (the version they ordered) as I believe it exceeds every scope limit found at the various legacy carriers.

I believe (but could be wrong) that the C-series was ordered originally with Frontier in mind because of its size. Frontier could probably use the bigger CS300 that can seat 150-160 pax. With the "projected" fuel burn savings, it could become a game changer - if Bombarier can actually get it off the ground for testing (delayed again).

I agree that Republic cannot use either the smaller CS100 or the CS300 due to scope clauses. I suppose they could reduce seats in the smaller version to the scope limit if they wanted to...

 

[Flydaplane]

And where does all this leave the lowly Midwest pilots who were (integrated/given the finger) in the Frontier/Midwest merger (if you can call it that). They should at least get preferential interviews at New Frontier (if they hire).

 

[doz4dllrs]

F that. We hire 12 next month I hear. Last time we hired eight of them they petitioned Eischen for their IMSL position. If the company pulls that again their will be a mass exodus of FO's (and some captains). We already are getting a surge of pria requests and I doubt the company wants to do anything to encourage more of that.

 

[Cornelius]

I just hope those Midwest guys lose their seniority if we do separate. If not, the company may face some lawsuits from us Jr Biatches.

 

[Grey Ghost]

The arrogance of the fronier pilot group represented on this board is second to none!

 

[OpenClimb]

@ Grey Ghost:

If you consider me arrogant because I don't like losing 9+ years of seniority to a half-dozen NEW HIRES, then I guess I'm arrogant.

If you consider me arrogant because I'm a bit disappointed after losing 9+ years of seniority (1000+ numbers on the seniority list) to a KID who was BORN when I was a sophomore in high school, and who was working on his instrument rating when I quit my second Part 121 carrier to start at the BOTTOM of the Frontier seniority list, then I guess I'm arrogant.

Yep. Guilty as charged.