Frontier Airlines

[airplane wizard]

Another airline I won't fly on if Frontier becomes another Spirit or Allegiant.

Too cheap!

 

[SAABaroowski]

^ the dumbest fuggging thing I ever read

 

[Grey Ghost]

Another airline I won't fly on if Frontier becomes another Spirit or Allegiant.

Too cheap!

"Becomes another Spirit or Allegiant"? Come on, man! Frontier couldn't hold their jocks! They actually make money and not on the backs of their sister companies!

 

[StaySeated]

Grey you took the time to change your avatar but you haven't responded to my post regarding the Midwest words vs the Midwest actions.

Please chime in about our arrogance now that you actually know a small percentage of the facts surrounding the situation.

 

[Megalops]

He knows, it's just more convenient to ignore facts and truth to shade an argument.
An old man flying a 190 for Bedford, I'd be pissed also, But at the appropriate people.

 

[Grey Ghost]

You guys are delusional! BB has been telling you that he's been "selling" you for 3 damn years? Where are all the takers on this profitable F9 operation? He only tells you that so that you don't shut down the daily operations. The only reason you show any profit is by him "cooking the books" and you know it! $9 dollar tickets? Are you stupid? How is that growth in denver coming along? You guys have shrunk since day 1 that BB took over. You used to be the only ones on the A concourse, now look at you? Who is on Denver's "hometown airline's" concourse now? Let's see, Southwest, american, alaska, Jet blue, Sun Country, Air tran.... Sounds like Southwest will force Delta over there also, soon enough? If you're not growing, you're shrinking! Just keep pumping out those resumes to United, maybe they will call you one of these days? BTW, your hometown is Indianapolis now, not Denver!! Tell your aisle donkey's that! They keep doing PA's about Denver's hometown airline, the truth is your hometown is now Indianapolis. Also, as one of your own captain's told me, i bet they pull the plug on this defunct operation after summer. They are just trying to recoup whatever money they can before dumping the whole operation and calling it a loss. I guess we will just wait and see?

 

[OpenClimb]

So what's your point, Mr. Ghost?

Are you saying we all made the wrong career choice? Very little argument here.

Are you saying that Frontier's continued existence is uncertain? Very little argument here.

Are you saying that Bedford isn't a great guy to work for? Very little argument here.

Are you saying that airline management frequently makes promises to pilot groups that they do not keep and probably had no intention of keeping? No argument here.

Are you saying that Bedford shafted the Midwest pilot group? No argument here.

So putting aside your pathological anger for just a minute, what point is it you're arguing about, again?

Does it satisfy you that an F9 pilot (me) came out and admitted the above points? If this is what you're shooting for, I would estimate that somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of the pilots I work with would readily admit the points I referenced, above. I hope this makes you feel better.

Perhaps you should consider decaf...

 

[Grey Ghost]

So what's your point, Mr. Ghost?

Are you saying we all made the wrong career choice? Very little argument here.

Are you saying that Frontier's continued existence is uncertain? Very little argument here.

Are you saying that Bedford isn't a great guy to work for? Very little argument here.

Are you saying that airline management frequently makes promises to pilot groups that they do not keep and probably had no intention of keeping? No argument here.

Are you saying that Bedford shafted the Midwest pilot group? No argument here.

So putting aside your pathological anger for just a minute, what point is it you're arguing about, again?

Does it satisfy you that an F9 pilot (me) came out and admitted the above points? If this is what you're shooting for, I would estimate that somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of the pilots I work with would readily admit the points I referenced, above. I hope this makes you feel better.

Perhaps you should consider decaf...

Thank you! You are by far one of the most level headed F9 pilots that I've come across! This is refreshing to hear! Have a lovely evening! Come on, are you sure that you work for Frontier????

 

[SAABaroowski]

I actually think ( and hope) F9 has a brighter future ahead

 

[BUDDHA145]

I actually think ( and hope) F9 has a brighter future ahead

I agree, it doesn't mater if is F9 alone or as Spirit or Allegiant.


Tapatalk sucks major AZZZZZ!! Don't get it....

 

[dcfu69]

Hey guys. Just got the call for an interview. Can any Frontier guys/gals comment on what to expect. I don't know anyone there so I'm in the dark as far as what to expect. Is there a sim, written, tech? Or just hr type questions? I've heard about an east coast base. Any idea where? Thanks for any info!

 

[Cornelius]

Congrats, I have no gouge on the new interview format since its been such a long time. Interview will be more than likely at the Main Office near DIA. There is no sim.

You'll probably have a format like this:

1. Lots of sitting around
2. introduce yourself to everybody in the room
3. HR style interview
4. Tech questions
5. In-flight Ex scenario sitting in front of a paper tiger
6. They tell you to answer 2 questions at the beginning of the day. At the end of the day you tell everybody your 2 answers. One question could be, "why do you want to work at F9?".

This was the format they used around 2008.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Step 1. Show up

Step 2. Realize that you are applying to work for a management team that is willing to violate the arbitrated IMSL to fill seats. Imagine what else they are willing to do?

 

[OpenClimb]

Realize that you are applying to work for a management team that is willing to violate the arbitrated IMSL to fill seats.

OK. I'll bite. Which part of the arbitrated IMSL is being violated?

I have a copy of the arbitrator's ruling in front of me so feel free to quote chapter and verse.

Thanks.

 

[Grey Ghost]

OK. I'll bite. Which part of the arbitrated IMSL is being violated?

I have a copy of the arbitrator's ruling in front of me so feel free to quote chapter and verse.

Thanks.

Why are you mad at those few Midwest guys, again? Does "Single carrier status" ring a bell to any of you? It's one list and one airline. You can't have it both ways, fellas! :smash:

 

[ricj41]

Ghost makes wild accusations about Frontier and it's pilots but has nothing to back it up with.
For those on the outside, there is no mechanism for Republic pilots to move over to the Frontier certificate. And more importantly Republics contract prohibits FO's from transitioning to different equipment and Captains cannot voluntarily downgrade.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Ghost makes wild accusations about Frontier and it's pilots but has nothing to back it up with..

Ahhh!!! Spoken just like a delusional Frontier pilot! Was the whole F9/RAH/YX/Lynx mess not deemed "Single Carrier status"? I think it was...

"For example, all Parties to the DRA agree that, if the NMB concludes that Frontier is not
part of the Republic single transportation system for the pilot craft or class, the integration​

methodology of the Award will be applied with the Frontier pilots excluded".

Follwed by:​

"The awarded seniority integration shall be implemented on the specified
effective/applicable date, with appropriate adjustments to the IMSL (Appendix A), if the
NMB rules that fewer than all of the carriers are included in a single transportation​

system for the pilot craft or class".

 

[Megalops]

What is it you want ghostie? Why don't you come on out with it and tell us what you deserve?

 

[ricj41]

Ghost why don't you produce the implementation agreement that would pave the way for Republic pilots to come to Fromtier?
That's right, there isn't one. There isn't any way for Republic pilots to bid to Frontier.

Ghost and the other IBT tools would rather see Frontier Airlines go out of business along with all it's jobs then for Frontier to seperate and for us to hire off the street.

Ghost, what does anything you posted have to do with the Frontier pilots? The pilots aren't making the decision who to hire. That's management. Not the pilots. Frontier HR is calling in the interviewes and running the process. Not the pilots. Take your issue up with them.

 

[chqflyer]

The Republic CBA actually forbids any republic pilots from bidding into Frontier. I'm not gonna waste my time looking up and posting the exact language. RJ captains are not allowed bid for FO positions. Period. RJ FOs are seat locked until they can upgrade. Upgrade is defined as moving to the left seat. This is actually one of the few areas where the contract is crystal clear.

 

[Grey Ghost]

The Republic CBA actually forbids any republic pilots from bidding into Frontier. I'm not gonna waste my time looking up and posting the exact language. RJ captains are not allowed bid for FO positions. Period. RJ FOs are seat locked until they can upgrade. Upgrade is defined as moving to the left seat. This is actually one of the few areas where the contract is crystal clear.

This piece of crap CBA is shadier than FAPA leadership! This company can and will do whatever they want to and pay off the powers that be to get away with it. Thats how they've always conducted business, if it works in their advantage! Summer is almost over, boys!

 

[chqflyer]

Sorry to burst your dreams of sliding into an unearned airbus seat. Working for republic is a ******************** sandwich. Eat it or starve.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Sorry to burst your dreams of sliding into an unearned airbus seat. Working for republic is a ******************** sandwich. Eat it or starve.

RAH bought F9 when nobody else wanted them and wasted $300 million on the POS operation, I think we at least "earned" a shot at it. All the F9'ers forget about that little fact! :bomb:

 

[billybob]

Working for RP earns you a fat one in the back door. That's it. Now bend over and get in line.

 

[Megalops]

You can have all the "shots" you want.

You just have to start at the end of the line like anybody else.

But you don't like that do you.

 

[chqflyer]

Dude. The only requirement for the job at Republic was to fog a mirror. Pulse was optional. How the ******************** does that translate into taking an airbus captain seat from someone who's been flying since before most of our pilots were born?

 

[chqflyer]

RAH bought F9 when nobody else wanted them and wasted $300 million on the POS operation, I think we at least "earned" a shot at it. All the F9'ers forget about that little fact! :bomb:

Republic bought Frontier through a sham bankruptcy. It's convenient how no one remembers that we REPLACED Midwest pilots.

 

[Megalops]

Because he was a Midwest Captain of course.
Everyone knows FAPA colluded with Hoeksema(sic?) to give back the 717's thereby pocketing the trade in rebate directly into Fapa's secret vault underneath runway 25.
Ipso Facto----he should be a captain at frontier.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Republic bought Frontier through a sham bankruptcy. It's convenient how no one remembers that we REPLACED Midwest pilots.

How was it a "sham"? Frontier had no money left and wasn't bringing in enough to operate! Thats bankrupt to me! They had NO other option.

 

[chqflyer]

How was it a "sham"? Frontier had no money left and wasn't bringing in enough to operate! Thats bankrupt to me! They had NO other option.

Their credit card company changed their required "holdback" to 100% effectively freezing any and all cash flow. Try reading a newspaper every now and then.