From Apaad We Won!!

[get2flyin]

Well overall this sucks. I have no intrest in flying until 65. Some guys do, just not me. Now comes the real problem. Be ready for a very complete physical.

Wrong...read the legislation. It specifically says the medical standards CANNOT change. I think this is one of the "have the cake and eat it too" clauses. I hope the pricks choke on it.

 

[Luke's Dad]

Hey Undaunted Moron, ever wonder why you can still even type?

Table 1 – Actuarial Study of lifespan vs. age at retirement.
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Age at.......................................... Average Age
Retirement .....................................At Death
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49.9 .....................................................86
51.2 .....................................................85.3
52.5 .....................................................84.6
53.8 .....................................................83.9
55.1 .....................................................83.2
56.4 .....................................................82.5
57.2 .....................................................81.4
58.3 .....................................................80
59.2 .....................................................78.5
60.1 .....................................................76.8
61 ........................................................74.5
62.1 .....................................................71.8
63.1 .....................................................69.3
64.1 .....................................................67.9
65.2......................................................66.8

Now if its about the money, working until 65 will probably net you a cool million extra for the retirement....

If you just want to make Captain earlier, while you still have hair to impress the young hottie flight attendants, so that they are removing articles of clothing on the way to your hotel room in a trance looking at your 4 bars, then I can't help you...I digress..

It's going to happen. Keep that blood pressure down and live a long healthy life, with or without the 6 hottie flight attendants on each overnight.

Cheers

 

[Andy Neill]

The bill doesn't take affect for 30 days.

There's nothing that says 30 days before enactment in the Constitution or in this legislation. Where did you come up with that? What the legilsation does say is:

`(d) Sunset of Age 60 Retirement Rule- On and after the date of enactment of this section, section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, shall cease to be effective.

 

[ivauir]

You're kidding right? Please reread this thread and see who's doing the name calling. The anti APAAD folks are generally the ones making the personal attacks.

Really?

I've never heard one int he lounge bullying anyone who doesn't agree with him.

 

[ivauir]

The damage done will vary from carrier and from pilot to pilot, but don't think for a second that this rule change didn't cost EVERYONE something. If you want to make as much career earnings as you were going to as of yesterday, get ready to work a few years past 60. So instead of a few unfortunate being screwed, everyone is.

How is a 59 year old being screwed?

 

[Quack]

Why doesn't congress just dump a load of sand in my vaseline! wtf...another notch on the wall for how far the mighty have fallen!

 

[Patriot328]

How is a 59 year old being screwed?

Most of them lost their pension and now have to work longer to make up some money. I'd say they were screwed too.

Then there are some 59 year old pilots that didn't lose a pension or didn't have one to begin with, but they get the free ride of sitting on top of the seniority list with the seat/pay/base/qol for an extra five years. There's the windfall right there.

 

[Superpilot92]

This will take some time for the companies to figure out what to do. This is going to cost every airline alot of money. Rules have to be changed, new paperwork made up, people bidding back to the left seat that can. Be assured there will be lawsuits over this. This ought to be fun to watch. just another example of the government sticking its nose in and making a decision on something they dont know the effects of. I knew that if this made it to congress or the senate it would be voted in because most of the government people are coming up on or over 60 and how dare you tell them they are too old to work!!

 

[Freight Dog]

The language of this legislation calls for review in 2 years. If you flood your airline with ASAP/FSAP reports and if you need to, fill out a NASA report separately, also report to the FAA any and all issues you encounter on the line with pilots over 60, perhaps they'll rethink the rule in 2 years despite of what the rest of the world with REAL pilot shortage is doing.

That's when it'll come out - there are not enough pilots abroad, hence to ensure their own economic growth, they have to bend the safety rule a tad.

We have plenty of younger, healthy, well-qualified pilots - we don't have to bend any safety standards.

 

[vetrider]

I bet in two years things will be back to normal pretty much. I doubt all that many guys want to or even can go all the way to 65.

 

[likeitis]

Just refuse to fly with anyone over 60 for safety reasons.

 

[XJTAv8r]

Deleted.......already posted.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Just refuse to fly with anyone over 60 for safety reasons.

What about the NJA factor?

 

[waveflyer]

You know who got screwed. Every young pilot that sacrificed what they are worth today for the carrot "promised" tomorrow.

 

[eaglefly]

Just refuse to fly with anyone over 60 for safety reasons.

You'd probably be terminated from your company for age discrimination. ALPA won't help you because they're the ones who supported it in the first place.

LOL !

You're "retirement" will come earlier than most.

So sorry, but you'll have to fly the rest of your career with a chip on your shoulder and a sore anus.

 

[Shutr9]

I agree with the majority of pilots on this board, and the overwhelming majority of ALPA pilots. ALPA has blatantly ignored its membership and let us down. The extension of retirement age will do irreparable damage to our labor force long term. Contract leverage will be instantly reduced, existing pensions will be further damaged, career advancement for F/O's and seniority advancement for everyone will be degraded. These are the immediate and tangible issues, which don't begin to address the body fatigue and health issues of an admittedly experienced, but undoubtedly tired portion of the pilot group. Our group as a whole is already pushed to extremes by our current FAA duty limits and the continued efforts of crew scheduling to be more efficient. Current pilot mortality rates exceed that of the population, they aren't going to improve by flying after age 60.

Understanding that there are pilots who are benefited by the change, they are severely outnumbered by those who are adversely affected.

 

[Poahi]

Ah! The trumph of greed over safety.

 

[Caveman]

The language of this legislation calls for review in 2 years. If you flood your airline with ASAP/FSAP reports and if you need to, fill out a NASA report separately, also report to the FAA any and all issues you encounter on the line with pilots over 60, perhaps they'll rethink the rule in 2 years despite of what the rest of the world with REAL pilot shortage is doing.

That's when it'll come out - there are not enough pilots abroad, hence to ensure their own economic growth, they have to bend the safety rule a tad.

We have plenty of younger, healthy, well-qualified pilots - we don't have to bend any safety standards.

Nice. Take bonafide and effective safety programs and distort them for personal gain. Even if this would work the way you hope, what's to stop the older pilots from doing the same in retaliation?

If you do attempt this it will be readily transparent to your safety team that indiscriminate ASAP reports are being filed and my guess is the only one feeling any negative results will be you.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Since Bush could never sustain a veto with the kind of margins present on this bill, my guess is he will allow the bill to become law without his signature. That takes a few days if memory serves.

 

[Vne]

The House voted and the Senate passed it with "unanimous consent" no names/ numbers of votes just NO one that was there "objected" to the "unanimous consent" that is not a veto proof method of passage....If Bush wants to thumb his nose at the Congress and unions he can veto and force a "counted vote"....imo not likely but Bush is unpredictable when it comes to "union favors"....