Freedumb, WTF?

[a320drivr]

Are you guys idiots? Wednesday night. JFK Intl Arpt. Freedumb aborts a TO and says on the radio "We aborted due to a takeoff config warning but are ready to go back and try again." Hello? You aborted due to birds. Use your heads instead of publicly saying you screwed up on the radio.

 

[WSurf]

I am sure it was TO config! Screw the birds, thunderstorms, LLWS, Ice on the tail, Wave the 747 wake, Engine Temp, Flying a plane after landing damage, Go around is no option... etc!!!

Doubt they aborted for the little birds!! Its mesa!!!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Regardless of the emergency, it's always wise to avoid the practice of self incrimination. Just state you aborted give no reason!

 

[TristarJS30]

Awesome. Let's reward these guys with more Delta flying.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Just be happy they had enough sense to abort in the first place.

 

[rickair7777]

It was probably a 200 hour guy that made the radio call...I can just see the check-airmans eyes get really big!

 

[nimtz]

I hate to join the Mesa bashing cause it's so cliche, but a few years ago I heard a Mesa guy say one of the dumbest things ever on center. Sounded something like this:

"Air Shuttle XXXX with you at 280 *PAUSE* and were not actually supposed to be up here cause of an MEL! We need to descend to 250."


Regardless what seat the guy was sitting in, I would of pimp slapped the bejesus out of that d bag.

 

[MJG]

Just state you aborted give no reason!

Tower always wants a reason for the abort, has to be entered into the tower log.

 

[acaTerry]

Regardless of the emergency, it's always wise to avoid the practice of self incrimination. Just state you aborted give no reason!

Pennekamp, there you go again...showing that you must in fact have no professional experience. You always seem to pop up chastising people and in the process showing no sense in your point.
Every "big" airport I have flown at ALWAYS asks the reason for an abort and for a go around.
I agree on avoiding self-incrimination, after all we all know how things can be misinterpreted. But to say to give no reason is like saying to fly with no lift. They always ask.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Pennekamp, there you go again...showing that you must in fact have no professional experience. You always seem to pop up chastising people and in the process showing no sense in your point.
Every "big" airport I have flown at ALWAYS asks the reason for an abort and for a go around.
I agree on avoiding self-incrimination, after all we all know how things can be misinterpreted. But to say to give no reason is like saying to fly with no lift. They always ask.

Spare me the self-riteous rant about lacking of professional experience. I'll bet I was flying airplanes while you were still in diapers.

That said, I've aborted several times in Atlanta, also known as The World's Busiest Airport and never got questioned as to why. I told tower we were aborting and asked either to go back to the gate or taxi back for takeoff.

 

[Soverytired]

Just be happy they had enough sense to abort in the first place.

My thoughts, exactly.

Flown with too many dunderheads who'd try to fix it while accelerating down the runway.

 

[AC560]

But to say to give no reason is like saying to fly with no lift.

What if you are flying in a rocket ship (on a treadmill of course)!

 

[FORESTGUMP]

Pennekamp, there you go again...showing that you must in fact have no professional experience. You always seem to pop up chastising people and in the process showing no sense in your point.
Every "big" airport I have flown at ALWAYS asks the reason for an abort and for a go around.
I agree on avoiding self-incrimination, after all we all know how things can be misinterpreted. But to say to give no reason is like saying to fly with no lift. They always ask.

as much as this pains me to do, I must back JP here. I've aborted in ATL also and not been asked for specifics. All that needs to be said is "we had an indication issue that needed to be checked". 'nough said.....

Now, back to the mesa/freedumb bashing:

 

[dooork]

What a bunch of f@#king little girls! Someone aborts and say somthing stupid on freq and you are going to label it a Freedom problem....o well we still got rewarded with the extra flying...good day ladies.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Why would a config warning abort necessarily be self-incriminating? Something could have been configured correctly, but some _CU thought it wasn't. Big deal. Sh!t breaks.

Anyone know of anyone ever getting in trouble with the Feds due to a config warning abort? I've never heard of it.

 

[Soverytired]

Why would a config warning abort necessarily be self-incriminating? Something could have been configured correctly, but some _CU thought it wasn't. Big deal. Sh!t breaks.

Anyone know of anyone ever getting in trouble with the Feds due to a config warning abort? I've never heard of it.

Actually, this is EXACTLY the sort of thing that makes Mesa's POI sport wood.

Here's the thing . . . it's a checklist item, and at Mesa it requires verbal agreement by BOTH pilots.

So yeah, if it was a screwy computer, NBD, but in that instance you'd better do a MX write up to cover your a$$.

My .02.

 

[Slice121]

Actually, this is EXACTLY the sort of thing that makes Mesa's POI sport wood.

Here's the thing . . . it's a checklist item, and at Mesa it requires verbal agreement by BOTH pilots.

So yeah, if it was a screwy computer, NBD, but in that instance you'd better do a MX write up to cover your a$$.

My .02.

I had a config trim warning in the CRJ once on T/O...trim was in the green, the warning was triggered by thrust lever position. Anything is possible in an electric jet. Really wasn't a big deal until I refused to ferry it later without Mx being done first.

 

[Dodge]

You can get a config warning on some of the old, wore out Saabs at XJ if the condition levers (prop blade angle adjustment for the jet kids) aren't pushed hard to the stops as you take the runway. Vibration also lets them wallow out of the max position. Self-incrimination....hardly.

Most of the controllers and all of the pax think that the regionals are full up on pilots lacking skills and experience to fly the real airplanes. Situation normal from the tower's view. "Hey, Frank, why'd that CRJ/ERJ abort"? "Who knows? Just another regional joker saying "birds".


I agree with the previous guy, good thing they fixed the problem correctly. I guess they could have always just kept on trucking.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

What are the pay rates and work rules on the Freedom side of Mesa on the 145?

 

[dowhite2]

Same as in the 50 seaters on the Mesa side.