Freedom's Baaaaack!

[DirkkDiggler]

Please don't misinterpret what I'm saying. I'd never take credit for anything you bozo's have done.

 

[Av8rPHX]

A lil side note... as of this week N906FJ is the only remaining Freedom aircraft. Based on what I heard, the plane will be reconfigured in the coming weeks to an 86 seat config, so I would imagine the B1900 Freedom thing would happen fairly soon after that. I wonder if they will put 1 first class seat in the F8 Beech?

 

[stuart716]

i dont think we would have taken the 737's at the rates the company was offering no matter what. you guys that dont work in the he!! hole called mesa have no idea what we go through on a daily basis. even if the company offered industry average i dont think we would have done just because of the way we are treated.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Speaking of spine....

Did Comair give you one when you PFT'D? Or did you have to go somewhere else to buy one? Or perhaps a loner? BTW You don't seem to have much problem flying former Delta Mainliner routes in you RJ's. Pft plus Replacement Jet equals pious pontificator of the airline industry???? NOT!!! RJ's have put more mainline pilots out of a job than Mesa, JO or 9-11......Dufus......

 

[Crossky]

crossky, what the f@#$ do you want from mesa? i hope one day JO buys air wisonsin so you can feel the sh!t stain up close. its easy to throw stones from high places.

cardinals in '04

I want what other pilots at our company want, our flying back, and a stop to the lowering of our standards of living. But I don't live in Denver, you should talk to some of our pilots who do, they're not as nice as I am.

I'd like to blame SkyWest for our loss of the Denver CRJ Dom. too, but their management seems to care about them a little bit, their planes are clean, their pilots never time out, and their FA's are attractive.

Tell JO to come on up to Appleton, but to bring a coat. It's fall, starting to get chilly, he might get the cold shoulder from our privately held company management.

My CRJ seat sits no higher than yours buddy. I left Great Lakes in 2002, where they then and still now make $3 less per hour than you in the 1900. You know it's bad when you work at a company where if Mesa bought you that would be a good thing.

Truce. It's not worth my whining anymore.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Speaking of SkyWest........

They are flying EMB120's poached from another airline who felt JO's rath, WestAir. At least they could change the YV tail numbers......BTW Croskky I have seen some stupid AWAC stuff in DEN, (landing without a clearence) make sure you PERFECT before slinging BS. PS Did the AWAC guys "hold the line" against paycuts? Did they do what they wanted everyone else to do? Fight the backward trend in pay for RJ drivers? NO........Don't ask others to do what you won't do for yourselves......

 

[DirkkDiggler]

PS Did the AWAC guys "hold the line" against paycuts? Did they do what they wanted everyone else to do? Fight the backward trend in pay for RJ drivers? NO........Don't ask others to do what you won't do for yourselves......

Hey fukknut, even with out current contract that's a result of concessions given 2 years ago, we're paid more than most of the RJ operators out there, and let's not even get into the details of how much better our contract is than yours. We don't want to publicly embarrass you any more than necessary. And by the way, we had to take the paycuts when United went bankrupt so you fukkstains wouldn't steal our contracts away with your embarrassingly low pay.

 

[mightybeechdrvr]

Freedom Again!

The straight "scoop" on the Freedom 1900 garbage is:

1. Mesa is wanting 4 Captains and 4 First Officers to man the new "Freedom" Airlines.

2. One Air Midwest 1900 will be transferred to the Freedom certificate as soon as the books are approved by the Feds.

3. Crews will be taken from Air Midwest, as they are currently qualified in the aircraft and would only require a very short training/transition. These pilots are all ALPA members and will be covered under the collective bargaining agreement.

4. This is being done to keep the Freedom certificate alive when the last three 900's are transferred to Mesa shortly.

5. The crews will sit "hot reserve" in PHX, with no scheduled flying. They will simple fill in whenever a Dash 8 breaks down.

6. The reserve in PHX is currently being done by Air Midwest crews based in FMN, so those duties will be lost to the FMN crews.

7. The pilots will perform all the 'proving runs" for the certificate, so all Captains will be made IOE/Line Check Airmen.

8. Appears to be no opportunity for advancement once you get there. No upgrades.

9. Little or no flying to speak of.....just sitting reserve.

10. If you just want to sit around PHX, might be worth looking at.

11. Who knows what the "Freedom" stigma will be. I know that I would not want to stroll into Southwest or Cactus with a Freedom training record (even if it is ALPA approved". I know that a lot of friends at both airlines don't even bother to look at the list anymore.....if your badge or records say "freedom", they "round file" your paperwork or deny jumpseat priveleges. All in All......I wouldn't risk having that name attached to my file if I had any hope of going elsewhere!

Folks....To make a long story very short....I wish that d*&$^%ed F8 certificate would become just an unpleasant memory as much as the rest of the profession. It has become an embarassment to our company and a constant reminder of the Freedom pilots who betrayed themselves, their fellow pilots, and their entire profession by "selling out". It represents nothing but endless betrayal and "slimy" labor practices. As long as that certificate remains alive, there is always a chance that J.O. will try to use it against the Mesa pilots in some unforseen way. (Mesa 737's ring a bell, anyone?)

Hope this helps to "enlighten".

 

[islandhopper]

A lil side note... as of this week N906FJ is the only remaining Freedom aircraft. Based on what I heard, the plane will be reconfigured in the coming weeks to an 86 seat config, so I would imagine the B1900 Freedom thing would happen fairly soon after that. I wonder if they will put 1 first class seat in the F8 Beech?

The seat by the door ALWAYS WAS first class! Dorks! The only way to fly to Farmington!

 

[islandhopper]

And do you really think that you'd have turned down 737 flying at RJ rates if people didn't give you guys so much sh!t about the original Freedom debacle? I think that if nobody had given you sh!t the first time, you'd have taken those 73's without even flinching. Peer pressure isn't always a bad thing.

When your quite done marveling over yourself be quite assured the current cadre of mesa pilots dont give a rats ass what you post on these boards. They turned down 737 flying for their own reasons, not because you and a few other mesa bashers rant and rave through all hours of the day on these web boards.

Most of them weren't even there for Freedumb, or CC Air, or Desert Scum, or West Air. Etc.. Peer preesure from me and the clipper maybe, from you? I LOL.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

Keep dreaming Islandhopper. It must be the only thing that keeps you going.

 

[islandhopper]

Keep dreaming Islandhopper. It must be the only thing that keeps you going.

thats the best you can do? Cant I at least get a fukkstik out of ya?

 

[DirkkDiggler]

fukkstain!

 

[ChinaClipper]

Dirk

That stuff you get congeeled in your head from starring all those Gay Porn movies has left you a bit slow. I fly for Frontier and AWAC DIDN'T HOLD SH!T for the "profession." They, and a cast of thousands, asked Mesa to do what they won't do for themselves.....fall on a sword. No one offered ANYTHING if it all blew up. No preferential hiring, no strike prep help. NOTHING! Did it ever occur too you that AWAC is responsable for REPLACING MAINLINE FLYING!!!! UNDERCUTTING the "profession" you claim to uphold?? I guess you guys putting Mainline guys on the street is OK, but when it may happen too you, ya get your rainbow condom in a twist. AWAC management played you like a sorority girl who likes shiny things....Stupid and a sure bet. Dufus........BTW What do you call Dirk on the set of his latest G ay porn if his nose is runny???? FULL!!!!!!!

 

[DirkkDiggler]

And the blame game continues.

 

[islandhopper]

They, and a cast of thousands, asked Mesa to do what they won't do for themselves.....fall on a sword.

I hate mesa as much as any disgruntled ex-employee but as always the clipper is tits on the truth..!

I am Island Hopper and I approved this message.

 

[Crossky]

......BTW Croskky I have seen some stupid AWAC stuff in DEN, (landing without a clearence) make sure you PERFECT before slinging BS. PS Did the AWAC guys "hold the line" against paycuts? Did they do what they wanted everyone else to do? Fight the backward trend in pay for RJ drivers? NO........Don't ask others to do what you won't do for yourselves......

OH MY LORD! They must've been an ORD crew, everyone knows DEN ATC is so anal they deserved it anyway. That's trivial.

I never purported that AWAC was perfect, I stated that MESA still sucks. Don't try to bluff your A$$ to everyone on this board that MESA had nothing to do with UAL in bankruptcy coming to us for concessions. Furthermore, everyone knows that you can't sustain rates like $199/hr for a ten year UAL CA. UA pilots got greedy (one of many reasons for UAL BK) and MESA and it's pilot group was only too happy to hoar themselves out to United.

We'll talk civily when your pilot group have a real contract and aren't ashamed to see your CEO J.O.'s quotes lambasting you in the newspapers. Respect is earned, not given.

 

[jetfueljunkey]

Once again, Mesa sets the bar another notch lower in our profession.

FUH-Q biatch....

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Oh boy,
All this talk of unity has me warm and fuzzy, NOT! The only thing that the pilot community has in common is the willingness to skrew one another asap, for $0.05. Mesa, Air Wis, SKYW, West Air, ACA ect. are all flying routes/city pair that were mainline until recently, and as such have allowed corperations to put mainline pilots on the street or into the cheap seats of their RJ's. Your willingness to advance/upgrade based upon this "growth" is going to cost you more than your short sighted vision could imagine. Quick get that 1000PIC so you can apply....where? I blame regional pilots equally with mainline pilots, mainline pilots forgot regionals during contract talks, and regional pilots ignored mainline pilots during furloughs/shrinking all is a result of a lack of unity. Divide and conquer, mainline vs regional, regional vs regional just keep infighting while managment just laughs. Remember politicians aren't worried they can always get "poor people to kill each other", managment has just taken a page from the same book. Keep fighting each other and save managment the trouble.
Remember the function of managment is to get the most work for the least amount of money, and the function of labor is to get the most money for the least amount of work. Also take note, managment has slashed wages like Freddy Kreuger in a haunted house, and we as a group have held out our wallets like sacrifical lambs. Now do not forget get to get that 1000PIC in the BE1900 so you can apply to?
AHHHH FORGEDDIT
You never will
PBR