For those that want to "vote and get it over with" at SKYW

[skypine69]

thats a good question skynation. would you ever leave skywesst to go to another carrier that is a union carrier? hellonewman can answer as well

 

[SkyNation]

sure, why wouldn't I? where it is already in place, it is almost impossible to decertify it. I just don't want it here.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Very true. Skywest is like the G.A. pilot that doesn't believe in A.O.P.A. Just because nothing bad has happened to him yet, he thinks it is unnecessary.

or the citizen who doesn't believe they need the police or fire dept. You'd rather not pay taxes because you think you don't need civil services.

Or you the citizens who don't have kids think they shouldn't have to pay for public schools. Regardless if you have kids you benifit from having schools in your community...

You benefit from having representation.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

sure, why wouldn't I? where it is already in place, it is almost impossible to decertify it. I just don't want it here.

Not true... CAL and FedEx de-certified ALPA.. and then asked them tocome back.... now look at the FedEx agreement....

 

[vtech]

No your opinions are discounted because you're a fcuking idiot.

We figure since you're never going to wake up and smell the coffee we'll just keep kicking you (figuratively) and let you look foolish.

Nobody hates you doushbag. (misspelled purposely)
We actually feel sorry for you.
We'd hate to have to through life blind and ignorant.
And we're tired of your poser posts. You're a junior FO with SJS yet you try to come off as someone with far more experience.

Be sure and get your card sent in.

embdrvr,

Did you read those quotes in "How to Win Friends and Influence People?"

 

[HelloNewman]

On another thread there was a lot of whining about the ALPA drive.
I kept hearing the sentiment of "vote and get it over with."

If you want to have a vote so you can "get over it" here's a very simple strategy. Sign the cards. All of you. Signing the card does not obligate you to vote for the union. Hell you don't even have to vote in the subsequent election.

The best way for you to make it all go away is to sign the card. Once that 75 or 80% figure has been reached there will be nothing holding back the election. Then if you don't want ALPA on the proerty you can vote no. Since you're so convinced that the union will get voted down why not just play along?

If your so sure it will pass why won't ALPA just hold the vote now? What are they afraid of? According to federal law they only need 35% of the cards. Why are you trying to force us to send in cards when we don't want the union. When you sign the card you say you want ALPA representing you and to conduct an election. I do not want ALPA to represent me therefore it is a lie if I send in that card. I will be happy to send in a card with the words no way on it.

 

[bizzum]

Newman, I ask you this:

If you are so anti-union then you obviously would not be interested in working for ANY of the legacies, and all the majors/nationals, with the exception of JB, would you?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If your so sure it will pass why won't ALPA just hold the vote now?

Because it takes time. ALPA is slow, methodical, patient and stays on task. Issue orientated. It is the ALPA Modus Operandi. Often pilots want quick action and results.

 

[G2T]

It is the ALPA Modus Operandi. Often pilots want quick action and results.

Like people willing to fly an airliner for 19 dollars an hour just for the quick upgrade.

 

[HelloNewman]

If you are so anti-union then you obviously would not be interested in working for ANY of the legacies, and all the majors/nationals, with the exception of JB, would you?

I would goto any major that has a union if I had the right base, etc. Going to a major isn't what it used to be but the pay can still be good. I would have no problem with southwest because they don't have ALPA. Also wouldn't have a problem with United since they have bases where I would want to live. Your union dues actually get you something at the major level. At the regional level they do not. Why not save the dues while we all bide our time waiting to goto the majors. Worst case scenario our career ends up being skywest then we ended up doing pretty darn good.

 

[thebest]

If you don't like unions, your life in this industry is really going to be limited.

1. You stay where you are the rest of your career.
2. You go to work for some No-union airline.. ummmm Jetblue is all i can think of.

Either way... you have limited your chances at advancement. Maybe your young, but even that you will outgrow.

OR....You can lose you're retirement and have to go get ANOTHER job when you hit 60! Go alpa?

 

[bizzum]

I would goto any major that has a union if I had the right base, etc. Going to a major isn't what it used to be but the pay can still be good. I would have no problem with southwest because they don't have ALPA. Also wouldn't have a problem with United since they have bases where I would want to live. Your union dues actually get you something at the major level. At the regional level they do not. Why not save the dues while we all bide our time waiting to goto the majors. Worst case scenario our career ends up being skywest then we ended up doing pretty darn good.

Explain what you get for your ALPA dollars at a major that you do not at a regional?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I would goto any major that has a union if I had the right base, etc.

You seem to have shifing values of convienence

Going to a major isn't what it used to be but the pay can still be good.

You like that ALPA negotiated pay don't you....

I would have no problem with southwest because they don't have ALPA.

But they buy ALPA services to negotiate thier pay. No matter what you do, you benefit from ALPA. Why not contribute instead of just take...

Also wouldn't have a problem with United since they have bases where I would want to live.

Ah its all about you....

Your union dues actually get you something at the major level. At the regional level they do not.

So you like unions and what they can do for you... Actually, the regionals benefit quite a bit from being associated. Its like Rhode Island benefiting from being a part of the Federal Gov't. Rhode Island can't provide for its own defense or state wide disaster... RI needs to unify and belong...

Why not save the dues while we all bide our time waiting to goto the majors.

Ah... its about you....again...

Worst case scenario our career ends up being skywest then we ended up doing pretty darn good.

That justification was said by Pilots at

National
Pan Am
Eastern
TWA
ACA/Independence
UFS
WestAir
Presidential
PSA
Peoples Express
Texas Air
Midway I
Midway II
Chicago Express



Fellas...any others who didn't survive the immunity bubble that Newman thinks is real?

 

[embdrvr]

Worst case scenario our career ends up being skywest then we ended up doing pretty darn good.

Tell that to your senior captains who are unable to properly fund their 401K because they are considered HCE's. Tell that to the senior EMB captains that haven't got a raise in over 6 years. Tell that to our recently retired captains that can't afford health insurance.

One of these days you'll wake up. Might take a while. We'll make sure we put come copies of your idiotic posts in your mailbox so you can review them. At least you'll have some good stories to tell your coworkers at Wal-Mart when you're 80 years old.

 

[FlyinScotsman]

I don't. why do other groups care what we think?

I was at an ALPA carrier, does my experience count for anything?

are my opinions automatically discounted because I don't support the club, or is there a non-union position that you'd respect?

No!.................. Mesa doesn't count!

 

[SkyNation]

it wasn't Mesa.

good point, though. they are under the 'protection' of the all powerful ALPA.

 

[PCL_128]

it wasn't Mesa.

good point, though. they are under the 'protection' of the all powerful ALPA.

The MEC that presided over the negotiation of that contract was voted out long ago.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Tell that to your senior captains who are unable to properly fund their 401K because they are considered HCE's. Tell that to the senior EMB captains that haven't got a raise in over 6 years. Tell that to our recently retired captains that can't afford health insurance.

One of these days you'll wake up. Might take a while. We'll make sure we put come copies of your idiotic posts in your mailbox so you can review them. At least you'll have some good stories to tell your coworkers at Wal-Mart when you're 80 years old.

Don't forget the senior RJ captains that haven't had a COLA in over 6 years, and will get a whopping total of 1% for the next 4 years(in Newwoman's world .1% a year is a fantastic deal, and we should all be thankful)!!!!

 

[Weasil]

Explain what you get for your ALPA dollars at a major that you do not at a regional?

Ok. Jets for Jobs protections whereby you get to not only flowback into a job but also then get to turn around and tell those regional pilots that their flowthrough no longer exists, it's a one way street controlled by the mainline alpa mec at the expense of their regional counter parts who are members of the same friggin union.

Now keep in mind that some of these guys were FOs for a year or so at Mesa, got hired by US Airways and flew there for maybe 9 months and now feel they are entitled to a left seat slotted seniority captain's job in front of guys who have been with a company for 15 years. That's what their mainline ALPA dollars got them.

 

[XPOO]

We here at SkyWest like to think of this whole thing as a yin-yang. The balance between good and evil. The duality of coexistance. You guys stay Evil ALPA, and we'll balance that out by remaining Good Non-Union. Like it or not, you guys benefit from us being non-union as much as we do from you being union. If we were all ALPA it would upset the balance of power and we'd all be on the fast track to the bottom. Harsh reality, but its true.