For those that want to "vote and get it over with" at SKYW

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Your logic is based on false pretenses. Answer the following...

If you benefit from ALPA should you not particpate in that benefit? What is it called when some one accepts a benefit for which they don't particpate.​

Why is 90+% of regional and major pilots part of a union? What does that tell you?​

What do you see on the horizon in terms of globalization?​

Should SKW pilots particapte in the political process that they are so greatly effected by?​

Do you think SKW is recieving favored status because they are non union?​

Skynation.. come to the open house for SKW pilots....

we've been over this and over this. I'll respect your position, I think I've heard it.

best,
an ALPA refugee

No, I don't think we've been over these questions... please respond to the issues...

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Not to ressurect this thread, but here it goes.

To all the naysayers at Skywest saying that ALPA is a waste of money, not nessesary, doesn't do anything for regional pilots, this is for you.

We at AWAC today recieved word that the arbitrator in our major grievance against the management at AWAC was decided in OUR favor, and that the company has 14 days to come to a final resolution or the arditrator will.

Why, may you ask, do I post this? The point is that those at SKW, and you know who you are, who deride, insult, state lies and untruths about ALPA and say that they are a waste of money do not know what you are talking about.

If, and I do mean if, SKW was an ALPA carrier with a strong, well supported MEC and LEC's., you would have had the same option with your '18 month pay freeze' when the clock ran out. Along with the other benefits ALPA provides, like aeromedical, legal (here is a PERFECT example), and contract enforcement. Yes, the arbitration took almost a year, but look at the payout!

1.95% too much in dues? I actually might say not enough!

Think about it, you guys over there who are on the fence.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[rtmcfi]

I will be interested to see what the final disposition and remedy will be in the AWAC case. If your old contract is reinstated, the pay rates alone will open some eyes at all of the other carriers.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Not to ressurect this thread, but here it goes.

To all the naysayers at Skywest saying that ALPA is a waste of money, not nessesary, doesn't do anything for regional pilots, this is for you.

We at AWAC today recieved word that the arbitrator in our major grievance against the management at AWAC was decided in OUR favor, and that the company has 14 days to come to a final resolution or the arditrator will.

Why, may you ask, do I post this? The point is that those at SKW, and you know who you are, who deride, insult, state lies and untruths about ALPA and say that they are a waste of money do not know what you are talking about.

If, and I do mean if, SKW was an ALPA carrier with a strong, well supported MEC and LEC's., you would have had the same option with your '18 month pay freeze' when the clock ran out. Along with the other benefits ALPA provides, like aeromedical, legal (here is a PERFECT example), and contract enforcement. Yes, the arbitration took almost a year, but look at the payout!

1.95% too much in dues? I actually might say not enough!

Think about it, you guys over there who are on the fence.

Peace.

Rekks

Well said...............and good on ya!

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Thanks, AF!

Peace.

Rekks

 

[HelloNewman]

Not to ressurect this thread, but here it goes.

To all the naysayers at Skywest saying that ALPA is a waste of money, not nessesary, doesn't do anything for regional pilots, this is for you.

We at AWAC today recieved word that the arbitrator in our major grievance against the management at AWAC was decided in OUR favor, and that the company has 14 days to come to a final resolution or the arditrator will.

Why, may you ask, do I post this? The point is that those at SKW, and you know who you are, who deride, insult, state lies and untruths about ALPA and say that they are a waste of money do not know what you are talking about.

If, and I do mean if, SKW was an ALPA carrier with a strong, well supported MEC and LEC's., you would have had the same option with your '18 month pay freeze' when the clock ran out. Along with the other benefits ALPA provides, like aeromedical, legal (here is a PERFECT example), and contract enforcement. Yes, the arbitration took almost a year, but look at the payout!

1.95% too much in dues? I actually might say not enough!

Think about it, you guys over there who are on the fence.

Peace.

Rekks

This is actually good news and can help the case for a raise for everyone. Now for a few questions. Is this ruiling final or can the appeals go on and on forever? What about the people who quit but worked some of the time under the old payrates? Do the ones who quit get their money back or only the ones still at the property? Mesa has had one grievance going on since 2003 and still going. The company lost and has refused to pay, nothing has happened thus far. Lets say the company refuses to pay what happens next? Can they actually be forced to pay? So far Mesa has not paid and appears to just keep appealing the process. I think these are important questions for everyone to see.

 

[wmuflyguy]

This is actually good news and can help the case for a raise for everyone. Now for a few questions. Is this ruiling final or can the appeals go on and on forever? What about the people who quit but worked some of the time under the old payrates? Do the ones who quit get their money back or only the ones still at the property? Mesa has had one grievance going on since 2003 and still going. The company lost and has refused to pay, nothing has happened thus far. Lets say the company refuses to pay what happens next? Can they actually be forced to pay? So far Mesa has not paid and appears to just keep appealing the process. I think these are important questions for everyone to see.

At least they have the options and possibility you stated. You have neither.

 

[HelloNewman]

At least they have the options and possibility you stated. You have neither.

Perhaps but theoretically lets say a company refuses to pay like Mesa. Is there any true end to the cycle or do you just sit there chasing appeals the rest of your career? What good does it do to win if you get caught up in appeals for years? What happens to all the pilots that quit in that time?

 

[wmuflyguy]

Perhaps but theoretically lets say a company refuses to pay like Mesa. Is there any true end to the cycle or do you just sit there chasing appeals the rest of your career? What good does it do to win if you get caught up in appeals for years? What happens to all the pilots that quit in that time?

The point is you are fighting for what is yours, and not just taking it in the behind whenever management decides to stick it to you.

 

[BoilerUP]

This is actually good news and can help the case for a raise for everyone.

Skywest pilots could have helped the "case for a raise for everyone" recently, especially given the large company profits, but you yourself have said on many occasions you are unwilling to bear the burden of lifting the bar for other pilot groups by fighting for industry-leading pay. Even after all that, you state once again that you are willing to ride on the coattails of ALPA union pilots so that you might get a payraise.

When is it gonna be HelloNewman's turn to fight to raise compensation across the industry? The answers to your questions will come in the next 14 days.

BTW, you're welcome.

 

[pipers]

We care what you think because we know what you do will effect us. Like it a or not we are all in this together. What Skywest pilots do effect us. and vice versa. With ALPA we have more control over what that effect is...

for example.. Skywest pilots are enjoying increased safety rules with LAHSO. What the FAA wanted and what was safe were two different things. The agreed upon version was done by ALPA. Again ALPA works for all pilots, even Skywest.

There is strength is Unity. We know that if Skywest pilots come to ALPA we will be even stronger and more effective.

It is not about you. Or us. It is about We.

Very nicely put.........now why can't that tool bag EMBDRV be a bit more diplomatic like this? I swear, I was totally pro-alpa before he started cheer leading for them.............still will vote though

 

[Rekks Inbound]

This is actually good news and can help the case for a raise for everyone. Now for a few questions. Is this ruiling final or can the appeals go on and on forever? What about the people who quit but worked some of the time under the old payrates? Do the ones who quit get their money back or only the ones still at the property? Mesa has had one grievance going on since 2003 and still going. The company lost and has refused to pay, nothing has happened thus far. Lets say the company refuses to pay what happens next? Can they actually be forced to pay? So far Mesa has not paid and appears to just keep appealing the process. I think these are important questions for everyone to see.
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HelloNewman,
To answer your questions:

Is the ruling final? Yes. The only negotiation left is a timeline to reimplement the old contract and calculate retro.

Any pilot who was affected is entitled to retro, whether still on the property, only here for a short time, or left before this ruling.

Mesa Grievance? I don't exactly know the particulars, but I believe the original ruling was before the old MEC was recalled (AH days). The new MEC has to pick up the pieces and move it forward, but I am sure they will get a satisfactory resolution. I believe their next step is a court order, followed by a bench warrant for JO, then fines and penalties against MESA and JO until the award is resolved. So even they will have a resolution, albeit later rather than sooner.

Yes, they can be forced to pay. See above.

Just so you know, AWAC recieved WAY more than what our 1.95% dues are to fight this injustice. So again, when you say the problem with ALPA is that the regionals don't get their money's worth, that's just not true. We get our money's worth, and then some.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[embdrvr]

And by SkyWest being one of the few airlines not asking it's pilot group for concessions

Hey POO4brains,
SkyWest pilots weren't asked for concessions. SGU didn't have to ask. They just imposed them. Ready reserve and PBS are examples of management imposed concessions. 50-99 seat pay for a couple of years past expiration of the TA is more BS.
Don't you have something to do in dispatch?

 

[embdrvr]

Very nicely put.........now why can't that tool bag EMBDRV be a bit more diplomatic like this? I swear, I was totally pro-alpa before he started cheer leading for them.............still will vote though

MOD EDIT:


To sum up what use to be here....
Wow. That wasn't Nice. I don't like you.

 

[HelloNewman]

Skywest pilots could have helped the "case for a raise for everyone" recently, especially given the large company profits, but you yourself have said on many occasions you are unwilling to bear the burden of lifting the bar for other pilot groups by fighting for industry-leading pay. Even after all that, you state once again that you are willing to ride on the coattails of ALPA union pilots so that you might get a payraise.

When is it gonna be HelloNewman's turn to fight to raise compensation across the industry? The answers to your questions will come in the next 14 days.

BTW, you're welcome.

Hey if it goes through I will be as happy as anyone else. Yes I would have to say what you said is true. Me and my fellow skywest pilots do not want to be the bar raisers. There is nothing wrong with that, some are followers and some are leaders. I think it is best for job security that we follow the industry leading contracts to help shape our own pay structure. Trying to go out and raise the bar is simply too risky.

 

[CFIT]

,
SkyWest pilots weren't asked for concessions. SGU didn't have to ask. They just imposed them. Ready reserve and PBS are examples of management imposed concessions. 50-99 seat pay for a couple of years past expiration of the TA is more BS.
Don't you have something to do in dispatch?

1. Most large airlines (with unions) have some sort of ready reserve

2. The scheduling survey that was sent out to the pilots recently indicated that the high majority was happy with PBS and given the chance to go back to hard lines would prefer PBS, approx 70% sent back surveys, 85% prefered PBS.

3. I recently had a anniversary with the company, and flew the 700 on a trip, compared to last december my pay went up over eight bucks an hour, nearly 10% (longevity+ 1% + 5%)

I guess that's a lot to be unhappy with.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

1. Most large airlines (with unions) have some sort of ready reserve

2. The scheduling survey that was sent out to the pilots recently indicated that the high majority was happy with PBS and given the chance to go back to hard lines would prefer PBS, approx 70% sent back surveys, 85% prefered PBS.

3. I recently had a anniversary with the company, and flew the 700 on a trip, compared to last december my pay went up over eight bucks an hour, nearly 10% (longevity+ 1% + 5%)

I guess that's a lot to be unhappy with.

PBS has meant less days off and lower credit for the month every month since we switched from hard lines...
I'm glad everything is swell for you! However, some of us have not had a longevity increase for a long time, and no COLA either... The 700 flies into and out of our domicile and even overnights here, but we can't bid it because crews junior to us are doing all the flying in and our of our base in the 700
(longevity 0% + no 700 or 900 flying 0% + 1% for the last 6 1/2 +next 4 years = 1% for 10 1/2 years)!

 

[CFIT]

PBS has meant less days off and lower credit for the month every month since we switched from hard lines...
I'm glad everything is swell for you! However, some of us have not had a longevity increase for a long time.

You should probably take some time and learn PBS.

Longevity raises occur every year.

 

[Ezralite]

I'm not saying its the best alternative, but just like the two-party system in US Government, you keep a collective balance instead of tipping the scale one way all of the time. Also hypothetical, is the reality that if all airlines were ALPA, then all airlines might gang up on ALPA until all pilots are taking concessions. One ALPA group falls and the rest fall with it. And the case could also be stated that just the opposite would happen. Where are airlines pay their pilots $5,000,000 an hour. And everyone is hunky-dorey.

Again, it's the non-union airlines that keep things balanced, so that neither ALPA nor the airlines gain too much momentum either way on the aforementioned scale of 'destiny.'

Nice flawed logic.

I guess in World War II the United States should have fought with Great Britain in order to defeat the Germans faster.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

I'll blame PBS! Vacation/User time request- All denied for the last 12 months ! Seems we never have anyone to cover you that day Sir. People are maxing out their vacation hours here and not by frigging choice! Not to mention "Forced Flying"