For those that want to "vote and get it over with" at SKYW

[Gr82Aviate]

!!

You should probably take some time and learn PBS.

Longevity raises occur every year.

Hey smart guy... Apparently you're not senior enough to have capped out on pay(hint: that means no more longevity increases)! As far as PBS goes I have gotten advice from 3 different PBS trainers and KH himself, along with reading the Skyw PBS manual. The problem is our pairings are getting worse and worse because crews from other domiciles are doing our flying, so that we end up having to deadhead a lot...and the fact that they keep putting forced pairings on our schedules leaves us with very little control over our final bid reward!

 

[HelloNewman]

Overall if you asked the majority of the pilot group I think you can safely say we wouldn't change a thing about PBS. You get a much greater variety of trips you can do. You aren't stuck with all 4 day, 3 day, 2 day, 1 day or standup trips all month. You can do a high paying 2-day and a high paying local. You can do just one high paying 4 day and the rest locals.

The possibilities are endless and the control over your schedule is much greater. You almost always get the days off you ask for. You don't have to bid certain lines to get the one set of days off you need. You can ask for the days you need and not have to sacrifice the month. Overall you can choose if you want a high or low credit month. You can work your tail off or hardly work at all. It is a bummer the pairing quality has gone down in certain domiciles but there is just no way to make everyone happy.

Some of the drawbacks include more expensive to take vacation, CN pairings if your junior, etc. If we were under the old system there would be more people on reserve and the CN pairings would just goto the reserves anyway. Its better to be a junior lineholder than a senior person on reserve. Overall there are few drawbacks and the pros outweigh the cons. If the pairings suck it doesn't matter if you are in a hardline or a PBS system. With PBS you at least have a bit more control over your life.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Overall if you asked the majority of the pilot group I think you can safely say we wouldn't change a thing about PBS. You get a much greater variety of trips you can do. You aren't stuck with all 4 day, 3 day, 2 day, 1 day or standup trips all month. You can do a high paying 2-day and a high paying local. You can do just one high paying 4 day and the rest locals.

The possibilities are endless and the control over your schedule is much greater. You almost always get the days off you ask for. You don't have to bid certain lines to get the one set of days off you need. You can ask for the days you need and not have to sacrifice the month. Overall you can choose if you want a high or low credit month. You can work your tail off or hardly work at all. It is a bummer the pairing quality has gone down in certain domiciles but there is just no way to make everyone happy.

Some of the drawbacks include more expensive to take vacation, CN pairings if your junior, etc. If we were under the old system there would be more people on reserve and the CN pairings would just goto the reserves anyway. Its better to be a junior lineholder than a senior person on reserve. Overall there are few drawbacks and the pros outweigh the cons. If the pairings suck it doesn't matter if you are in a hardline or a PBS system. With PBS you at least have a bit more control over your life.

I guess you didn't read what I just wrote? I've been getting forced pairings and I'm not close to being junior...When our bid results came out last month I was with the number one flight attendant and even she had a forced pairing, she's not "junior" either!

 

[HelloNewman]

I guess you didn't read what I just wrote? I've been getting forced pairings and I'm not close to being junior...When our bid results came out last month I was with the number one flight attendant and even she had a forced pairing, she's not "junior" either!

I am assuming you are based in PSP or maybe SMF. I do not know the situation there however I see no reason to give someone senior a CN pairing especially if there is someone on reserve. If they are giving CN pairings to everyone then they should add another pilot to the base. There are plenty that want to be based there.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Me and my fellow skywest pilots do not want to be the bar raisers.

Once again...............You don't speak for me!

Trying to go out and raise the bar is simply too risky.

Really? Explain how? Risky to whom?

 

[Gobi Gred]

Me either. Why shouldn't we be the bar raisers? We work for the most profitable regional in the nation and one of the the most profitable airlines in the world. At some point the pilots at SkyWest will have to pull their collective heads out of the sand and make a contribution to this profession.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I am assuming you are based in PSP or maybe SMF. I do not know the situation there however I see no reason to give someone senior a CN pairing especially if there is someone on reserve. If they are giving CN pairings to everyone then they should add another pilot to the base. There are plenty that want to be based there.

And that's the point exactly...apparently they should add more crewmembers to the base(there is a long list of people who would love to get in), however with PBS they don't have to because all they do is shove the forced pairings down our throats!!

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

HelloNewman must be looking at pbs through rose colored glasses. I'm sure it's great if you're in the top 20% or so. I held better trips on the old style of bidding.

All this does is allow the Co. to get away with fewer reserves (again denied timeoff because ther's no one to cover it.) 4 day trips with a pretty litle local tacked on the end.

And BTW how do you know you're getting the flying you deserve? Some really junior guy could be going to your corporate HQ everyother week and boinking some grossly overweight scheduler to score 3 day trips. The only way I'd know is if he was bragging about it. Or if the moped theory was applied.

I hope if we do get ALPA, The first order of business is the abolishment of P B S!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

HelloNewman must be looking at pbs through rose colored glasses. I'm sure it's great if you're in the top 20% or so. I held better trips on the old style of bidding.

All this does is allow the Co. to get away with fewer reserves (again denied timeoff because ther's no one to cover it.) 4 day trips with a pretty litle local tacked on the end.

And BTW how do you know you're getting the flying you deserve? Some really junior guy could be going to your corporate HQ everyother week and boinking some grossly overweight scheduler to score 3 day trips. The only way I'd know is if he was bragging about it. Or if the moped theory was applied.

I hope if we do get ALPA, The first order of business is the abolishment of P B S!

Amen!

 

[skyhogg]

Hey if it goes through I will be as happy as anyone else. Yes I would have to say what you said is true. Me and my fellow skywest pilots do not want to be the bar raisers. There is nothing wrong with that, some are followers and some are leaders. I think it is best for job security that we follow the industry leading contracts to help shape our own pay structure. Trying to go out and raise the bar is simply too risky.

Oh lord please stop speaking for the SKW pilots as if you are our representative. I read most of your posts with mild amusement but don't put words into other pilot's mouths...it's really boring and makes you look naive and uninformed.

To the non SKW guys, whether we're pro or con the union, MOST of us do not think like he does.

 

[Nightrain_080]

SKYNaG, NewWoman, and xpoo Wow...your all fine pieces of work.

PBS= more money for management = pilot pay stays the same

Let everyone know that PBS was made up software from some tech unit in south st. george. Someone who knew Jerry's uncles, brothers kids. They are good with computers and one has some flame in him. PBS is only friendly to those who wish to have a mix of trips and in the top 3rd. IF you want a different day off during the month so they can go to a birthday party, then Pbs is great. PBS just allows you to work just as hard and get those 2 extra days off for birthdays that hardlines wouldnt alllow because they don't give time off under either system. PBS is a concession and we don't even have anything to show for it. Get real! At least run pbs concurrently with some real Major airline pbs software instead of the no name brand dog ********************ee!

 

[Morning Wood]

If you think that crappy overide for the block time in the 700 and 900 is a tit for a tat you are a bigger idiot than I thought. Will all you newbe wanabe pilots at skywest it is no wonder you will bend over for anything mgmt wants to give you. Stand up for your rights and get a life SCABS

Scabs? Maybe you should look up the meaning of that word up before you go tossing it around. Is someone on strike that we aren't aware of?

 

[Ezralite]

Scabs? Maybe you should look up the meaning of that word up before you go tossing it around. Is someone on strike that we aren't aware of?

You're right. I believe "rats" is the appropriate term.

 

[bmpilot2003]

1. Most large airlines (with unions) have some sort of ready reserve

2. The scheduling survey that was sent out to the pilots recently indicated that the high majority was happy with PBS and given the chance to go back to hard lines would prefer PBS, approx 70% sent back surveys, 85% prefered PBS.

3. I recently had a anniversary with the company, and flew the 700 on a trip, compared to last december my pay went up over eight bucks an hour, nearly 10% (longevity+ 1% + 5%)

I guess that's a lot to be unhappy with.

Half of us got NOTHING @SSHOLE!

 

[Gnarloooo]

The only thing I hate more than PBS is people who claim to like it.

 

[embdrvr]

If NewWoman was around in the 1990's instead of dreaming about getting his PPL he'd know that SkyWest pilots raised the bar a few times without bankrupting the company. He's a dream employee for SGU. He'd give every one of them a blow job if he could.

When he's a relatively senior captain stuck with 10 days off and 98.15 hours of credit due to inadequate staffing we'll see if he's singing the same tune.

He's off probation now so look out.

 

[Hamburger]

The only thing I hate more than PBS is people who claim to like it.

AMEN

Remember how they said PBS would be great becuase there would be no more Junior Manning? What they really meant to say was that you'd still have to work, but no more extra pay.
Remember when reporting for work before the sun came up meant that you would be done before it went down again?
How many times a month do you have enough time at the hotel to enjoy a beer or two?

Jet pilots get a raise while Brasilia pilots get Nothing?!?!!!!

I'd like to hear the last time a prop guy has had a vacation/drop/personal approved....."we don't have the coverage for that"

A lot of Jet guys won't even talk to Brasilia crews on the van.

Vote for ALPA and you will no longer be a second class citizen.

 

[Nightrain_080]

statass quo

1. Most large airlines (with unions) have some sort of ready reserve

2. The scheduling survey that was sent out to the pilots recently indicated that the high majority was happy with PBS and given the chance to go back to hard lines would prefer PBS, approx 70% sent back surveys, 85% prefered PBS.

3. I recently had a anniversary with the company, and flew the 700 on a trip, compared to last december my pay went up over eight bucks an hour, nearly 10% (longevity+ 1% + 5%)

I guess that's a lot to be unhappy with.

STAUS QUO?????????????

How many participated in the bloody survey?
Why do we still have ready reserve?
Longevity hardly covers COLA here in de-valued dollarland.....the dollar does not have the buying power it once did. google "amero" if you don't believe

Do you believe longevity should be counted as COLA?

40-50 million a quarter in profits is more than spare change. I think we all know and realize that SGU can afford to be competitive and start spreading around more than a few nickels. If we just start a tip jar in the galley we could easily make more nickels than with the math wizard override. With record profits to start with we have earned a hard raise. BHO is still a somewhat peformance based raise. For starters we should at least get........700 should be plus $5.00/hr 900 should be plus $7.00/hr

 

[pookie]

Did you guys at skywest vote for pbs or was it just forced on you?

 

[Gobi Gred]

PBS was forced on us. I'm still not sure what I think of it. Overall for me it has been ok. But I have some seniority and I'm in a big domicile.