For those of you who are thinking of voting for Kerry...........

[PHXFLYR]

Is the Transmeridian Airlines Pilots Association affiliated with the AFL-CIO?

PHXFLYR

 

[FlightTraker]

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that sums it all up, "Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing an idiot"


Guess who I am voting for........



FlightTraker

 

[Falconjet]

Sounds like you are going to vote for an idiot!

FJ

 

[Dennis Miller]

We make jokes about it but the truth is this presidential election really offers us a choice of two well-informed, opposing positions on every issue. OK, they both belong to John Kerry, but they're still there.

 

[vc10]

1) Won't gratuitously piss off the rest of the world and will make sure that whatever the US does is well planned. After 9/11 we had almost the entire world with us. Imagine if we'd harnessed that allegiance for the task of hunting down Al Qaeda. Two years later, Bush had managed to alienate most of the world. We shouldn't do things just to be popular, but as a matter of simple fact, America is stronger when it has the respect of the world. And we don't.

2) Neocons close to the administration really thought they create a modern democratic society out of Iraq---the same way that post WWII Germany became a paragon of western democracy. Of course, to believe this would be possible, you'd have to ignore massive differences between pre-WWII Germany and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Germany had a long history of pre-Hitler civilization---it went through the Reformation, it went through the Enlightenment, it was, in many ways, one of the most civilized countries on earth that happened to fall under the sway of a madman---remove the madman, the underlying civilization shone through. Iraq, on the other hand, has none of those traditions. Which isn't to say that Iraq could never be a democracy, but is to say that expecting it to be like post WWII Germany is laughable.

In the end, it doesn't matter what Bush's goal was. It was a dangerous diversion from what we should have been single-mindedly pursuing---the end of religious terrorism.

VC,
Just curious. You are very outspoken against Bush and his foreign policy. Tell me: 1) How Kerry's foreign policy will differ and 2) What do you think Bush's reasons and goals were by invading Iraq?

 

[airbaker]

VC10,

Great post and well articulated.

 

[hoya saxa]

Germany had a long history of pre-Hitler civilization---it went through the Reformation, it went through the Enlightenment, it was, in many ways, one of the most civilized countries on earth that happened to fall under the sway of a madman---remove the madman, the underlying civilization shone through. Iraq, on the other hand, has none of those traditions.

Are you forgetting Assyria, Mesopotamia, and Babylonia? Some of the original great civilizations on Earth? Ok, so that was several thousand years ago. Still, for someone who attempts to sound so informed you make a lot of uninformed broad-brush statements...

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I can't take credit for this but I saw a great one-liner posted somewhere on flightinfo.com

"A pilot voting for Bush is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders."

 

[vc10]

And were Assyria, Mesopotamia and Babylon democracies?

D'oh!

Are you forgetting Assyria, Mesopotamia, and Babylonia? Some of the original great civilizations on Earth? Ok, so that was several thousand years ago. Still, for someone who attempts to sound so informed you make a lot of uninformed broad-brush statements...

 

[brew3departure]

That's great...

Whomever is throwing around the ABB label - forgive me, all these acronyms. Call me an IVFKBDKWASF (I voted for Kerry but don't know what ABB stands for), but whatever it means, this is a moot (or, if you prefer, a moo) point! TMA does have a union - hey, I've got an idea, let's bash NADER for flying his sorry *ss around on Southwest. How DARE he fly on a non ALPA airline!! Holy unions, batman, what is the world coming to?!

I'll say it again, ya'll. Oil prices. Highest they've ever been. And climbing. No end in sight. Rich oil buddies in Crawford and elsewhere getting absolutely stinking rich. And, might I add, those absolutely stinking rich folks were the recipients of a whopping big and controversial tax cut...

But that's a whole 'nother can of worms, right?

You guys can have your ABB - I see that and I think ... isn't that on the Decee arrival into IND? WTF...over...whatever.

I wish I could vote in Ohio or Colorado instead of this great state...we haven't seen ONE political ad for about the last two months here in IL, last I checked, it's so far gone that Kerry doesn't see the need to advertise nor does Bush. Ah, well.

Take care,
-brew3

 

[hoya saxa]

And were Assyria, Mesopotamia and Babylon democracies?

D'oh!

They were just about as democratic as the various governments in Germany during the Reformation and the Age of Enlightenment. Reformation = religious change; Enlightenment = generalized European social/cultural change. Neither was accompanied by any sort of dreamy representative democracy in the region. The Germans didn't go down that path until they got whipped up into a nationalistic fervor after getting their @sses handed to them by Napoleon. The result? Bismarck and Hitler. Great examples of how idyllic Germany was prior to their post-WWII constitution... which didn't get ratified until 1949 by the way - 4 years AFTER the war ended. Maybe you could give the Iraqis 4 years to upright their society and adopt lasting political and social reform before you continue crying about how the sky is falling. Or at least do a little more homework first...

 

[Tim47SIP]

Moore's clone!

VC,
Just curious. You are very outspoken against Bush and his foreign policy. Tell me: 1) How Kerry's foreign policy will differ and 2) What do you think Bush's reasons and goals were by invading Iraq?

46, don't you know who VC is? Mr. Moore, is that you?

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Retro bumper sticker.....

NIXON, NOW MORE THAN EVER

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Is This An Essay Question?

VC,
Just curious. You are very outspoken against Bush and his foreign policy. Tell me: 1) How Kerry's foreign policy will differ and 2) What do you think Bush's reasons and goals were by invading Iraq?

Does spelling count? Does spelling count?

This thread is like a bad civics lesson gone bad!

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Famous quotes.....name the person

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."


"One small step for man, a giant leap for mankind."


"Bitch set me up."

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Our survey said...

John F. Kennedy

Neal Armstrong

Marion Barry

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey,
ABB=Anybody But Bush. Kerry could spend his whole 4 years interviewing (and get Bl0jobs nonstop) from White House interns, and still do a better job than the shrub. Bush is an encylopedia example of the Peter principal.
Later
PBR

 

[trainer8]

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

--Teddy Roosevelt

Great quote...and the reason I will not vote for John Kerry.

T8

 

[Ace McCoy]

This is an interesting article

Bush Campaign More Thought Out Than Iraq War
WASHINGTON, DC—Military and political strategists agreed Monday that President Bush's re-election campaign has been executed with greater precision than the war in Iraq. "Judging from the initial misrepresentation of intelligence data and the ongoing crisis in Najaf, I assumed the president didn't know his ass from his elbow," said Col. Dale Henderson, a military advisor during the Reagan Administration. "But on the campaign trail, he's proven himself a master of long-term planning and unflinching determination. How else can you explain his strength in the polls given this economy?" Henderson said he regrets having characterized Bush's handling of the war as "incompetent," now that he knows the president's mind was simply otherwise occupied

 

[spinproof]

How many charter companies similiar to Trans Meridian are available that offer the type of service a presidental candidate needs in air travel and have a pilot union? I don't think ATA would drop a 757 and reconfigure it, so do you know somebody else? Help me out cause I can't think of one. I have more objections to any standing president spending my tax dollars using Air Force One to go to political fundraisers or cheesy campaign photo ops.

Did you feel The same way when Clinton logged more miles than the last two Presidents before him?

 

[Falconjet]

Yeah, that's a valid comparison, invasion of Iraq and an election campaign. Give me a break.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Nice. Uninformed pilots more worried about one upmanship on these message boards than spending time getting educated on the real issues and making an informed vote.....

You guys are real gems, the pride of the airline industry.

 

[wil]

Kerry's action by testifying in front of cameras (behind closed doors ok) and show boating to score points with the left while Americans were being tortured in Vietnam make him a traitor.

If this is the best the Democrats can muster they should be ashamed. First a dodger than a traitor. Can't wait to see what is up their sleeve (or arse) for 2008!! Cheers-

 

[Falconjet]

2008 will bring either Kerry II or Hillary Rodham Cliton (oops), depending on how things shake out in Nov. No need to wonder. I predict Monica will be her running mate. Enjoy.

You think the Dems hate President Bush? That is nothing compared to what I think of Hillary and her esteemed husband. What was his name again?

FJ

 

[SWA GUY]

His name was.....Mr. Hillary Clinton.

I hope Hil gets the nomination in 08, she's completely unelectable.

 

[vc10]

How so? The things that Kerry testified about were later shown by several commissions to be true... There were _some_ US servicemen who were doing evil things during the Vietnam war. The US cannot ever be associated with such things---they bring our entire country into disrepute.

Speaking the truth about evil is never wrong.

Kerry's action by testifying in front of cameras (behind closed doors ok) and show boating to score points with the left while Americans were being tortured in Vietnam make him a traitor.

If this is the best the Democrats can muster they should be ashamed. First a dodger than a traitor. Can't wait to see what is up their sleeve (or arse) for 2008!! Cheers-

 

[SWA GUY]

Speaking the truth about evil is never wrong. However, lying about evil is. Kerry admitted that he never actually ever saw anyone commit a war crime, except for his own crimes.

Did ya know that the man that founded the VVAW said he was, 1) A Pilot flying in Viet Nam, 2) injured while flying his aircraft in Viet Nam, 3) A Captain in the Air Force. It was later determined by the USAF that he was NOT a pilot, NOT a Captain and obviously NOT injured while flying his fighter plane, as a Captain, in Viet Nam. Nice bunch of folks to associate with Kerry!

 

[ACWild]

OK, screw it! I'm voting Nader!

 

[Metro752]

"For those of you who are thinking of voting for Kerry........... "

........Don't or we'll trace your IP and come to your house and break you knees so you can't make it to the polling station, and if you get feisty while we crack your caps, we'll break your hands too. Feisty people always try to get their way. Broken hands are just a security measure in case the broken knee job fails!

 

[ivauir]

Bush Campaign More Thought Out Than Iraq War

Hey MEATBALL! This quote is from "the Onion". This is like quoting comedy central ... talk about uninformed.