Flying to Hawaii

[LegacyDriver]

All in good fun, mate!

 

[NJAFracPilot]

Haven't had to. Legacy doesn't break!

But the ppl getting on always go, "Wow! This is a nice jet!". They don't seem to mind that I don't have FIVE IRSs when two are more than enough.

Eighty for fifty.

Weak, dude, really weak. Why don't you answer any of GV's questions? Can't, huh? You make all these lame a$$ boasts then back them up with nothing. Go back to the regional board, maybe you can find somebody there that thinks the Legacy is a real airplane.

 

[LegacyDriver]

We have hashed this out before. There is no need to quote figures to GV as he always manages to invent better ones.

Besides, the rise I get out of some of you is worth the price of admission! If the Legacy were indeed the POS you falsely portray it to be there would be no need to sling arrows! Gulfstream's free ride is ending. People with rational minds are turning to the Legacy and other viable alternatives to the overpriced Georgia peachjet.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

BUY AMERICAN!

End of story.

Ace.

 

[xrated]

Out of curiosity Legacy, who do you fly for?

 

[GVFlyer]

We have hashed this out before. There is no need to quote figures to GV as he always manages to invent better ones.

I provided two references to verify the veracity of my posts - look them up.

Gulfstream's free ride is ending. People with rational minds are turning to the Legacy and other viable alternatives to the overpriced Georgia peachjet.

More "invented" figures for you, these from Aviation International News, November 2004, page 8:

Gulfstream Poised to Finish Year on a High Note

Third-quarter results show that Gulfstream is on it's way to ending this year with significantly improved numbers in deliveries, earnings and sales...Gulfstream delivered a total of 57 green aircraft in the first nine months of this year, compared with 53 in the same period last year. Earnings and margin rates more than doubled... Gulfstream plans to deliver between 58 and 60 large-body Gulfstreams next year, compared with about 55 this year.

GV

 

[LegacyDriver]

And without competing airframes to cyphon off Gulfstream's business they would probably sell even more. Thankfully Legacy and others stand as viable options. Face it you guys are threatened by our plane because the people who buy it -do- consider it a "real corporate jet". At the end of the day it is these people who matter.

Bang for the buck...

 

[GVFlyer]

And without competing airframes to cyphon off Gulfstream's business they would probably sell even more. Thankfully Legacy and others stand as viable options. Face it you guys are threatened by our plane because the people who buy it -do- consider it a "real corporate jet". At the end of the day it is these people who matter.

Bang for the buck...

LegacyDriver/SilverWings,

There are 14 Legacies in the world and the aircraft has been in production since 2002, Gulfstream will make that many large cabin jets in the last quarter of 2004.

If you look at the registrations you will see that there have been only five Legacies sold in 2004.



N-number : N135SG
Aircraft Serial Number : 145706
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Engine Manufacturer : ROLL-ROYCE
Model : AE3007 SER
Aircraft Year : 2003
Owner Name : INTERSTATE EQUIPMENT LEASING INC
Owner Address : 2021 NW SUNDIAL RD
TROUTDALE, OR, 97060-9513
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 26-Jun-2003
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport



N-number : N135SL
Aircraft Serial Number : 145711
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Engine Manufacturer : ALLISON
Model : AE3007CSER
Aircraft Year : 2003
Owner Name : WILMINGTON TRUST CO TRUSTEE
Owner Address : 1100 N MARKET ST
WILMINGTON, DE, 19890
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 07-Aug-2003
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport



N-number : N456MT
Aircraft Serial Number : 145789
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Aircraft Year :
Owner Name : WELLS FARGO BANK NA TRUSTEE
Owner Address : 299 S MAIN STREET 12TH FL
: MAC U1228-120
SALT LAKE CITY, UT, 84111
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 22-Oct-2004
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Not Specified


N-number : N642AG
Aircraft Serial Number : 145642
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Engine Manufacturer : ROLL-ROYCE
Model : AE3007A1P
Aircraft Year : 2002
Owner Name : FLEET CAPITAL CORP
Owner Address : C/O YO PEGASUS
: 14605 N AIRPORT DR
SCOTTSDALE, AZ, 85260-2490
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 19-Dec-2002
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport


N-number : N691AN
Aircraft Serial Number : 145699
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Engine Manufacturer : ROLL-ROYCE
Model : AE3007 SER
Aircraft Year : 2003
Owner Name : WIND SPIRIT LLC
Owner Address : 2800 DONALD DOUGLAS LOOP N
SANTA MONICA, CA, 90405-2951
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 25-Sep-2003
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport


N-number : N730BH
Aircraft Serial Number : 145730
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Engine Manufacturer : ALLISON
Model : AE3007CSER
Aircraft Year : 2003
Owner Name : REDEYE II LLC
Owner Address : C/O BRIAD RESTAURANT GROUP
: 348 BOSTON POST RD
ORANGE, CT, 06477
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 21-Aug-2003
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport


N-number : N780SG
Aircraft Serial Number : 145780
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Engine Manufacturer : ROLL-ROYCE
Model : AE3007 SER
Aircraft Year : 2004
Owner Name : FLIGHT OPTIONS LLC
Owner Address : 26180 CURTISS-WRIGHT PKWY
RICHMOND HEIGHTS, OH, 44143
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 17-Jun-2004
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport


N-number : N809SG
Aircraft Serial Number : 14500809
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Engine Manufacturer : ROLL-ROYCE
Model : AE3007 SER
Aircraft Year : 2004
Owner Name : MEADOW LANE AIR PARTNERS LLC
Owner Address : 20 MEADOW LN
SOUTHAMPTON, NY, 11968-4631
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 17-Nov-2004
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport


N-number : N825SG
Aircraft Serial Number : 14500825
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Aircraft Year :
Owner Name : SWIFT AVIATION SALES INC
Owner Address : 2710 E OLD TOWER RD
PHOENIX, AZ, 85034-6001
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 18-Nov-2004
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Not Specified


N-number : N888ML
Aircraft Serial Number : 14500818
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Engine Manufacturer : ROLL-ROYCE
Model : AE3007 SER
Aircraft Year : 2004
Owner Name : WILMINGTON TRUST CO TRUSTEE
Owner Address : 1100 N MARKET ST
WILMINGTON, DE, 19890
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 27-Sep-2004
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport


N-number : N912CW
Aircraft Serial Number : 145412
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Engine Manufacturer : ROLL-ROYCE
Model : AE3007 SER
Aircraft Year : 2003
Owner Name : WELLS FARGO BANK NORTHWEST NA TRUSTEE
Owner Address : 299 S MAIN ST FL 12
SALT LAKE CITY, UT, 84111-2263
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 16-Dec-2003
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport


N-number : N928CW
Aircraft Serial Number : E145528
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Engine Manufacturer : ROLL-ROYCE
Model : AE3007A1P
Aircraft Year :
Owner Name : SALE REPORTED
Owner Address : 26180 CURTISS WRIGHT PKWY
RICHMOND HEIGHTS, OH, 44143-1453
Type of Owner : Individual
Registration Date : Not Specified
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport


N-number : N962CW
Aircraft Serial Number : 145462
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Engine Manufacturer : ROLL-ROYCE
Model : AE3007A1P
Aircraft Year : 2003
Owner Name : WELLS FARGO BANK NORTHWEWT NA TRUSTEE
Owner Address : 299 S MAIN ST FL 12
SALT LAKE CITY, UT, 84111-2263
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 19-Nov-2003
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport


N-number : N995CW
Aircraft Serial Number : 145495
Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER
Model : EMB-135BJ
Engine Manufacturer : ROLL-ROYCE
Model : AE3007 SER
Aircraft Year : 2003
Owner Name : WELLS FARGO BANK NORTHWEST NA TRUSTEE
Owner Address : 299 S MAIN ST FL 12
SALT LAKE CITY, UT, 84111-2263
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 12-Dec-2003
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport


GV

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

GV, why are you even wasting your time on this bozo. He's never gonna buy a Gulfstream, a Legacy, or a piper twin for that matter. The pro-pilots and the seasoned owners know what is what and the use real data to make their choices. If this guy had a Gulfstream job that payed a buck-and-a-half like we make, he would be singing a different tune. Don't you remember the story about 'sour grapes'.

Ace

 

[GVFlyer]

Out of curiosity Legacy, who do you fly for?

Judging from his diction, vocabulary, sentence structure, grammatical composition and spelling errors, it's clear that LegacyDriver and SilverWings are the same person. Judging from the technical errors in his posts, it is also clear that he is not a pilot. My guess is that he's an Embraer sales weenie.

GV

 

[GVFlyer]

GV, why are you even wasting your time on this bozo. He's never gonna buy a Gulfstream, a Legacy, or a piper twin for that matter. The pro-pilots and the seasoned owners know what is what and the use real data to make their choices. If this guy had a Gulfstream job that payed a buck-and-a-half like we make, he would be singing a different tune. Don't you remember the story about 'sour grapes'.

Ace

Roger that, Ace.

 

[FracCapt]

Out of curiosity Legacy, who do you fly for?

That's one question he's always avoided.....things that make you go HMMMMmmmm!

 

[LegacyDriver]

You are making fun of PDA-induced typos? Ha!

You also denegrate the 14 aurplanes sold since 2002. Would Gulfstream have faired better with its G-I post-9/11 ? ? ? I doubt it. Embraer has done very well to introduce a new airplane into a crowded market it did not exist in previously.

Did EMB not recently confirm orders for FIFTY Legacy jets? That is pretty good if you ask me.

Who I work for is not relevant to the discussion. I fly EMBs that is all you need to know.

 

[xrated]

I was just curious who is flying Legecies. I don't plan on sending "my boys" out to bust some knee caps. I was wondering if you flew one that I wasn't aware of.

I know of Flight Options, Swift, and those managed by Swift (KSMO, KMMU), Apollo Group in SDL and one or two that have gone to the Middle East. I believe those too were connected to Swift.

If you fly for Swift, or even FLOPS for that matter, a latent part of your job is selling the planes and your job depends on it.....at least in the long run. Of those fifty orders, how many are from Swift? I know they committed to at least 25. Of the 14 listed on this post, 8 were connected to Swift one way or the other. Not sure if they sold any or if they were leased out. I know the AG airplane was sold outright. Not sure on the others.

Flops is looking to replace the Challengers and Gulfstreams with the Legacy and word is the owners are kicking and screaming over it. Three of their birds have the pig engines. Talk about a No-performing airplane! As you can tell by the list provided by GV, of the four planes operated by FLOPS, only one has been sold outright. Not a spectacular showing.

As I've said in the past, the Legacy will find a small niche, but to compare it to a Gulfstream is an insult to those who own and fly them.

P.S. Typing on a PDA, eight out of fourteen run by S.A.G., sounding like a sales guy? I bet I can guess who you work for. If you won't tell us, would you tell us if you came from flying a CE-560?

 

[GVFlyer]

Did EMB not recently confirm orders for FIFTY Legacy jets? That is pretty good if you ask me.

It's hard to know what Embraer is doing, Mauricio Bothelo's press releases have little relationship to reality. Indigo had an order for 25 and options for 25 more to be used as 19 passenger, 1700 nm max range airliners between MDW and TEB, but they went out of business. Ernie Edwards at Swift, a former Gulfstream salesman until he was made redundant, has options for 25 if he can manage to sell them. Of course, Swift is the North American "Authorized Distributor for Legacy Aircraft." The Swift options are all that JetNet is showing.

GV









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[LegacyDriver]

I thought Swift actually confirmed orders for fifty. They must think they can sell them if they have not already done so.

Give the airplane some time. It will carve out a pretty good niche over the next couple of years.

(I did not come from a 560 - I haven't been in a Slowtation Mark in six years. I am also NOT in any way related to sales ofthe Legacy. I am a Captain for a privately owned Legacy that is managed when I am not using it to fly my boss and his girlfriends around. )

 

[501261]

(I did not come from a 560 - I haven't been in a Slowtation Mark in six years. I am also NOT in any way related to sales ofthe Legacy. I am a Captain for a privately owned Legacy that is managed when I am not using it to fly my boss and his girlfriends around. )

Oh, so your the one flying that Legacy out of SMO.

I'm curious what's the range of that thing coming out of SMO? I'm not trying to flame you here, I'm just wondering if in the real world you can nonstop SMO-TEB 8 Pax, no wind, (considering you'll be at 5000' for the last 50 miles or so).

 

[LegacyDriver]

The airplane performs far better than the book says it will.





Coast to coast (Anywhere, CA to TEB)with 14,000 lbs of gas you can easily land with 4000 lbs. and that includes dragging it in low. The airplane is pretty efficient. Full boat vs 3 pax doesn't affect burn very much so far as I have noticed. I did 5:30 after bagging 15500 lbs. and landed with 4400 lbs last week. (Only about 25 on the tail most of the way.). I thought that was pretty good.

 

[501261]

Coast to coast (Anywhere, CA to TEB)with 14,000 lbs of gas you can easily land with 4000 lbs. and that includes dragging it in low. The airplane is pretty efficient. Full boat vs 3 pax doesn't affect burn very much so far as I have noticed. I did 5:30 after bagging 15500 lbs. and landed with 4400 lbs last week. (Only about 25 on the tail most of the way.). I thought that was pretty good.

I'm not talking Anywhere, CA (i.e. LAX, SFO, etc). I'm talking SMO. Can you get off of SMO, with 15,500lbs fuel, 8 PAX, on a 25C day out of a 5000' runway?

Again, I'm not trying to flame here, but SMO-TEB is a very, very popular business jet route. It is also one that a lot of business jets need to stop for, because real life you need 5:30 fuel onboard, and coming out of a 5000' runway that's asking a lot.

 

[LegacyDriver]

You can go out of a shorter runway than that. The wheels can be off the ground in 3K feet. The concern is the surrounding terrain.

I will run the numbers for you and give you a no-guess answer later.

SMO has not been a problem to TEB yet...I do not forsee it being one. Let me try your numbers...

29000 airplane
15000 gas
1600 pax and bags

45600 at takeoff...