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bigD said:Guys that begin every radio call with "and". Usually they'll drag the word out a bit too:
"Aaaand XXX traffic, Cessna 123AB left downwind for 18."
"Aaaand XXX traffic, Cessna 123AB left base for 18."
Dont be so quick to judge. CFI's have to teach their students how to request an airport asdvisory. When your student flys once a week on saturday when every uncontrolled airports pattern in the area is busy as $h!t, you cant only have him/her listen to the radio to figure out whats going on in the pattern. Sure, thats what they should do. But, because of primacy, if thats all they do, thats alll they WILL EVER do. They will never ask for a traffic advisory unless you make sure they do it every once in a while. This scenario often happens to be the case more often than not.52Vincent said:Pilots when approaching an uncontrolled field, call in for aiport advisories; meanwhile had they just listened for a second or two would have figured it out by the dozen or so aircraft in the pattern making their respective postion calls.
But no they still have to call in and ask which runway is in use.
Dash 8 pilots who use 9000' on rollout so they can turn off in front of the commuter concourse.mooser said:Student's who take all day to clear runways!!! Pilots who taxi all the way to the ramp with the flaps still down!!!
Our procedures require us to set the flaps for the next takeoff after landing (unless it's the last flight of the day). Get over it.mooser said:Pilots who taxi all the way to the ramp with the flaps still down!!!
No I am not talking about the local airport advisory provided by an FSS (AIM 4-1-9-d) Im talking about the the airport "advisory" provided by UNICOM. Check out AIM 4-1-9-h. I'll sumarize for you: UNICOM communication procedures; Report approximately 10 miles from the airport....and request wind information and runway in use (ie. airport advisory...kinda like saying "looking" instead of the official terminoligy: negative contact) And yes, you do need to know how to request an advisory on UNICOM frequency as well as know the difference between UNICOM and CTAF. Otherwise an examiner might fail you. As far as practical uses Id file it under the "good to know" category especially if you'd like to become a CFI oneday. Keep in mind I never said not to use the see and avoid method as well.Jedi_Cheese said:Airport Advisories are used when there is a FSS on the field (as per AC 90-42F). I assume that you are using the term as it is normally used (if not - disregard the rest of this post).
You have to learn how to request an airport advisory? News to me and I have flown into airports where I have never seen another aircraft in motion when I was a student. I have also had it be me and an aircraft w/o an electrical system in the pattern and thus asking for airport advisories does jack.
If you want to know what I am talking about: http://www.avweb.com/news/news/183049-1.html (AC 90-42F)
My CFI does not do this. At least he hasn't done it yet. Radio's busy as hell, and we can hear all the way to Joliet from pattern altitude (from Peoria), but he just has me look out the window and make sure I'm not going to hit anyone before entering the pattern. (Granted there is only one runway so it's not very difficult. Maybe he'll ask me to do it later when we go somewhere busier. I'll probably say "I have eyes" or something and see if he insists, but he doesn't seem the lazy-shortcut type.)zeroline said:Dont be so quick to judge. CFI's have to teach their students how to request an airport asdvisory. When your student flys once a week on saturday when every uncontrolled airports pattern in the area is busy as $h!t, you cant only have him/her listen to the radio to figure out whats going on in the pattern. Sure, thats what they should do. But, because of primacy, if thats all they do, thats alll they WILL EVER do. They will never ask for a traffic advisory unless you make sure they do it every once in a while. This scenario often happens to be the case more often than not.