FLOPS Strike ballots are being sent out !!!

[Narrow Bridge]

Not a thing, your bloated, unsustainable salaries have helped caused your furlough. Your pilots have come on our thread and egged us on to push for the same. It got you guys real far huh? When do you think your new managment team will demand salary concessions?

 

[dime line]

Not a thing, your bloated, unsustainable salaries have helped caused your furlough. Your pilots have come on our thread and egged us on to push for the same. It got you guys real far huh? When do you think your new managment team will demand salary concessions?

wow what a tool.

If NJ pilots were to give up their salaries for 4 years, NJ would still have lost a boat load of cash. Look as the VPs pay and bennies as well. Sounds like in your world nobody will be paid!

Would you be happy if we at FLOPS paid for our own hotels and give the company 500.00 a month to work there. Would that work?

 

[gunfyter]

For your information...

You are FOS.

If NJ made current FLOPS pay ... the P&L statement would have been substantially the same. The current situation has nothing to do with the CBA. It has everything to do with the falling value of airplanes.

Concessions? They may ask. But demand? I have a two letter answer to that question.

Contract? I know what my pay will be all the way to at least May 2013. Do you know what yours will be?

I can't foresee any conditions where concessions would make any sense.

 

[Narrow Bridge]

I'll bet your new mangement team can think of a few......

 

[gunfyter]

I'll bet your new mangement team can think of a few......

So what?

Changes to the CBA require a vote. I vote NO.

I can think of a few concessions I would like my mortgage company to make to me . Maybe I will demand some.

 

[Pervis]

Narrow is either fishing for responses or near the bottom of NJA's list and wants to tear it down with him/her. How else could he/she access that union letter? It's not something one would hand out to outsiders.

Maybe our folks can determine the name behind the IP and deal with this appropriately. Posting union/company confidential info is grounds for termination. Let someone without an axe to grind move up a number.

 

[Pervis]

Could Narrow Bridge be yet another annonymous name for B19?

To our fellow crews at FLOPS, sorry this has again been hijacked. Best of luck to you folks. Give 'em hell.

 

[gunfyter]

Not really hijacked. Bridge is trying to belittle the value of having a contract.

I think its pretty clear having a CBA has nothing to do with whether a company can furlough. And if you want to look at the furlough protections NJ has in its contract ... you'll see how important it is to get a CBA for FLOPS pilots.

 

[Narrow Bridge]

Nope, not trying to bellittle the value of a contract, I'm all for one. Just using NJ as an example to illustrate what happens when you force a company to pay more than they can afford.
Its the same old song, just look at the American car companies and steel industry.

 

[gunfyter]

Nope, not trying to bellittle the value of a contract, I'm all for one. Just using NJ as an example to illustrate what happens when you force a company to pay more than they can afford.
Its the same old song, just look at the American car companies and steel industry.

How much can they afford?

If we made ZERO ... they still would have lost 100's of millions.

This has nothing to do with pilot salaries.

 

[William Holiday]

Nope, not trying to bellittle the value of a contract, I'm all for one. Just using NJ as an example to illustrate what happens when you force a company to pay more than they can afford.
Its the same old song, just look at the American car companies and steel industry.

If thats the case, why are FO pilots paid the least of any of the jet frac's
with the most laid off at the present.

BTW....Ford just posted a billion dollar profit. You should have bought their stock a 1.00 dollar. You could post for the truth, rather than being a cheap off the rack tool.

 

[gunfyter]

If thats the case, why are FO pilots paid the least of any of the jet frac's
with the most laid off at the present.

Thats true. FLOPS should be rolling in profits by now...! Or is he saying FLOPS is paid too much already too?

And they should be hiring all the furloughed pilots from other fracs too...!

 

[993_Pilot]

We all know that NB, Skanza and B19 have an agenda. . . they are all obviously anti-union mouthpieces for Flops Mgt. The realistic among us know that the owner contracts are priced to afford the salaries that NJ pays, and that Flops should be paying. The only reason for the layoffs is the reduction in the flying due to the economy, regardless of which company. Sorry to all of the NJ guys and gals that will soon find themselves out of work, the pilots and Flops understand all too well and wish you the best of luck.

 

[realityman]

How much can they afford?

If we made ZERO ... they still would have lost 100's of millions.

This has nothing to do with pilot salaries.

EXACTLY!!!!

If we all flew for FREE for this past year, NJA still would've lost mega-bucks.

So then, what's a reasonable salary, NB?

As usual, folks like NB can live smack dab through the worst recession (depression?) since the 1920's, watch almost EVERY company lose money, sales, and shed jobs, see NJA's owners selling back shares at unprecedented rates, and conclude that it's the UNION'S fault and the CBA that NJA is losing money.

Lord help us, it's B19 all over again.

 

[realityman]

Oh, sorry about going off-topic.

To all you FLOPS guys, yeah, we're furloughing. But thanks to a good CONTRACT, those being furloughed will receive pay for two months afterwards and medical benefits thru April. It isn't much, but it's something. Not to mention recall rights (which we HOPE will happen sometime) and no furloughing out of seniority. Not to mention, the company CAN'T arbitrarily cut our compensation and benefits.

Keep on fighting!! It's worth it!!

Good luck!

 

[realityman]

I can think of a few concessions I would like my mortgage company to make to me . Maybe I will demand some.

Way funny!!:laugh: Think I'm gonna try that too! You may be on to something there Gun.

 

[Hung Start]

From a management standpoint, having a contract with labor can/should be a plus.
Much like the labor force has an idea what there salaries will be for the next 3 years, management also knows what their costs will be.

How many variables in business can you know for certain when you do your projections?

Prudent and wise management would look at this as smart business.

Hung

 

[jonjuan]

From a management standpoint, having a contract with labor can/should be a plus.
Much like the labor force has an idea what there salaries will be for the next 3 years, management also knows what their costs will be.

How many variables in business can you know for certain when you do your projections?

Prudent and wise management would look at this as smart business.

Hung

I'm sure Flex, CS, Avantair, and XO management know to the penny what salaries for the next 3 years will be. What they don't know are revenues.

 

[o2bflyn]

Careful all,

The mods may come in a close this thread down too.

 

[ProFracPilot]

I'm sure Flex, CS, Avantair, and XO management know to the penny what salaries for the next 3 years will be. What they don't know are revenues.

You are absolutely correct. Management at these companies do know exactly what the salaries will be. Unfortunately, the pilots do not.