FLOPS Phenom overrun

[X-rated]

I like this type of thinking. Ground speed with a headwind is slower. That's the type if answer I'm looking for.

I always add half the gust factor to my approach speed.

Headwind component is taken into account when you come up with your landing distance! And, most people don't count gusts as a headwind that will reduce your ground speed at touch down. You have no way of knowing if that gust will be there or not when you cross the fence. You should consider your required landing distance may be significantly increased when you add for the gusts.

Adding half the gust factor is a normal procedure, but as one of the other posters said, if the winds are 25 gusting to 40, your gust factor is 7.5 kts not 20...

 

[gunfyter]

I always fly ref and 20 whenever windshear is possible... and I consider it possible if ever the gusts are more than 5 kts.

Citation X material we had is where I got the ref and 20 for windshear ... Not sure if it was company or Cessna source

 

[X-rated]

I don't ever remember seeing that in the C-X material, but it's been a while, and I have pretty much mentally dumped all that info. I don't have a problem adding 20 to ref if you're worried about windshear so long as you have plenty of runway to work with. Would you really add 20 kts going into SMO because the ATIS is calling for 5 kt gusts? I wouldn't.

 

[rajflyboy]

Some airplanes say to add the entire gust factor not to exceed 20 knots

Also ref plus 20 is flying within ATP standards

Ref plus 10 is the target on a normal runway. You get plus or minus 10

Most sop's allow for ref to ref plus 20 for a stabilized approach. Anything more is a go around.

Also when do you apply braking? You take a huge penalty for every second you do not start braking

Many factors go into flying a stabilized approach. Skill and smarts is also a big part of it.

 

[gunfyter]

I wouldn't cross the fence at that speed. You'd have to blend short field consideration in At some point you have to transition to ref

 

[rajflyboy]

I wouldn't cross the fence at that speed. You'd have to blend short field consideration in At some point you have to transition to ref

Good point and that's where pilot technique is used particularly in windy nasty conditions and for short field ops.

But consider each second you don't apply braking is like adding airspeed as well. Many pilots will let it roll to the end to save braking and make for a better ride for the pax. This has a large affect on landing distance.

a lot to consider especially in bad weather

touch down by the thousand foot marker and get on the brakes and all is well. if not then "uh oh"

 

[rajflyboy]

then you have the pilots that are ref plus 10 at 12 miles out from the field

that's another issue

 

[FR8DOG777]

Wrong again loud mouth dumbazz, its AFM DRY distance divided by .6 times 115 percent. Why dont you contribute some accurate information instead of your constant druel.

Last time I checked the landing distance calculation chart it said in notes Dry paved runway. There is no correction for wet runway on a landing distance graph. So sorry I put wet in front of afm landing distance. Since you are so concerned about arguing about the price of rice in China your point is moot. It was a 91 repo leg so they are up against afm landing distances. Had it been a 135 leg it would have been up to them to prove they could land within 60% of the effective runway length with the 115% applied for the wet runway, BEFORE they took off. Hows that pilot supplemental pay and great retirement plan working out for you?

 

[rajflyboy]

We still haven't heard the details on this. Until then we can't say much.

 

[FR8DOG777]

And Ruprecht if you promise to put your cork back on your fork, maybe we could open up a civilized discussion about the deceleration capabilities of grass, six galvanized fence posts, an 8 foot high chain link fence and the 5% upslope to reach the airport perimeter road. Just for future reference what would you like to hear less of? How your union negotiated superior work rules and pay? About the world fractional whipsaw convention and how all your union liberal buddies sat around drinking beer patting each other on the backs and telling stories about how they really took it to the company? About the recent spike in asap reports due to pilot fatigue? Or how much you have improved the working conditions and life on the road for all flops pilots? Why don't you run along and obtain the duty times and legs flown of these pilots prior to this incident.

 

[rajflyboy]

fatigue and the git r done attitude don't help

 

[Helmsalee]

FR8, see post #19 in this thread. Not all the info needed, but a good start.

 

[dicko]

X rated

Answer thy question?

So you are saying you will fly an approach at ref or ref plus 10 in winds gusting to 40 knots?

Where is that in the Afm? I'd like to see that.

It's clearly defined for all operations unless your playing flight Sim:

Auto throttles on - Ref + 5kts. Auto throttles off - half the wind and all of the gust. Not to exceed Ref + 20kts. Max tailwind 10kts. Auto land limitations: 25/20/15 (Cat1).

You're still a Muppet.

 

[rajflyboy]

dicko

you are book smart but I don't see much street smarts in your edumucation

 

[dicko]

dicko

you are book smart but I don't see much street smarts in your edumucation

Really ? Tell me a little more about that. I'm curious. Serious question.