FLOPS Impass?

[B19 Flyer]

HD, please don't quote B19. I have him on ignore for a reason.

Must....ignore....common....sense.....and....drink...more....union....koolaide....

and the rest of us can laugh behind his back. :laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

Ok...I've decided.

News Flash:

Out of 9 new-hires in this months class, one was recommended for a check ride at Simuflite.

So yea Flops management can get applicants, but none of them are making it to the line.

Bottom line, we are paid 50% of the industry standard and as such management can only attract pilots unsuited for the task.

Time to pay up management.

As for you CJS, go turn a wrench or something. At least do your homework before you come on here.

No, the system worked.

There are lots of pilots looking for work, and if they can't get through training, the system worked.

Is it pretty? Nope, but the system worked.

With airlines dropping like flies, there will be a lot of pilots falling into those positions. When they all pass training because the market and economy is slipping, will you be posting the numbers saying they all passed Gerry?

I think not, because you won't post any Flight Options successes, only what you percieve is a failure.

You really need to fly for Netjets.

 

[captain dad]

What is a B19???????????

The Douglas XB-19 was the largest bomber built for the United States Army Air Corps until 1946. It was originally given the designation XBLR-2 (XBLR- denoting Experimental Bomber, Long Range).
The purpose of the XB-19 project was to test the flight characteristics and design techniques associated with giant bombers. Douglas Aircraft Company strongly wanted to cancel the project, because it was extremely expensive. Despite advances in technology that made the XB-19 obsolete before it was even completed, the Army Air Corps felt that the prototype would be useful for testing. Its construction took so long that competition for the contracts to make the XB-35 and XB-36 occurred two months before its first flight.
The plane finally flew on June 27 1941, more than three years after the construction contract was awarded. In 1943, the original Wright R-3350 engines were replaced with Allison V-3420-11 V engines. After completion of testing, the XB-19 served as a cargo carrier until it was scrapped in 1949.

So a B19 is something that is experimental that should be canceled, is extrememly expensive, obsolete before it is finished, behind schedule, and will eventually be scrapped.

Sounds about right.

 

[realityman]

The Douglas XB-19 was the largest bomber built for the United States Army Air Corps until 1946. It was originally given the designation XBLR-2 (XBLR- denoting Experimental Bomber, Long Range).
The purpose of the XB-19 project was to test the flight characteristics and design techniques associated with giant bombers. Douglas Aircraft Company strongly wanted to cancel the project, because it was extremely expensive. Despite advances in technology that made the XB-19 obsolete before it was even completed, the Army Air Corps felt that the prototype would be useful for testing. Its construction took so long that competition for the contracts to make the XB-35 and XB-36 occurred two months before its first flight.
The plane finally flew on June 27 1941, more than three years after the construction contract was awarded. In 1943, the original Wright R-3350 engines were replaced with Allison V-3420-11 V engines. After completion of testing, the XB-19 served as a cargo carrier until it was scrapped in 1949.

So a B19 is something that is experimental that should be canceled, is extrememly expensive, obsolete before it is finished, behind schedule, and will eventually be scrapped.

Sounds about right.

ROTFLMAO!!!:laugh: :beer:

 

[shanes123]

You really need to fly for Netjets
only thing this idiot has ever said that makes sense..

 

[gunfyter]

. What is it about flying that justifies forming a union? It's not too often you see guys with four year degrees forming bargaining units anywhere other than aviation ...

How about Doctors... they have the AMA.

How about NFL players? NBA Players?

Pilots are the STARS of every aviation operation. Just like the pro sports player associations.

 

[B19 Flyer]

You really need to fly for Netjets
only thing this idiot has ever said that makes sense..

I've been saying that for two years. I've repeatedly made the statement, if you want to fly for a union carrier, do your research and fly for one that matches your needs.

Unions want you to think that if you are not happy at your non-union carrier, just bring one onto the property and all will be fine.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

The FLOPS guys are experiencing it now.

Two years ago I stated that there would be at least 3 years of turmoil, a stagnant company and that when the pressure is on the most is when unions react the worst.

All of these are now coming home to roost, and I hope the industry is watching.

Economy is slipping, 1108 didn't get it done and the FLOPS pilots are in deep turmoil judging by the posts on these boards.

If those pilots that wanted to fly for a union carrier had just gone to NJ, they would have been so much better off today.

My guess is that they didn't go because NJ didn't want them, and they knew it.

 

[B19 Flyer]

How about Doctors... they have the AMA.

How about NFL players? NBA Players?

Pilots are the STARS of every aviation operation. Just like the pro sports player associations.

You can't be comparing a pilot to a doctor, NFL or NBA player are you?

The only thing that a pilot has in common with a doctor, NFL or NBA player is that none of them need or require a union to be good at what they do.

 

[gunfyter]

Yet they all have degrees and belong to unions.

 

[netjetwife]

....So a B19 is something that is experimental that should be canceled, is extrememly expensive, obsolete before it is finished, behind schedule, and will eventually be scrapped. Sounds about right.

SHACK!! CD SCORED A DIRECT HIT!

And Gunfyter rolled in with great back up!!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Yet they all have degrees and belong to unions.

Huh? Since when to all pilots belong to unions, and all NFL and NBA sure as hell don't have college degrees.

 

[brokeflyer]

I've been saying that for two years. I've repeatedly made the statement, if you want to fly for a union carrier, do your research and fly for one that matches your needs.

Unions want you to think that if you are not happy at your non-union carrier, just bring one onto the property and all will be fine.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

The FLOPS guys are experiencing it now.

Two years ago I stated that there would be at least 3 years of turmoil, a stagnant company and that when the pressure is on the most is when unions react the worst.

All of these are now coming home to roost, and I hope the industry is watching.

Economy is slipping, 1108 didn't get it done and the FLOPS pilots are in deep turmoil judging by the posts on these boards.

If those pilots that wanted to fly for a union carrier had just gone to NJ, they would have been so much better off today.

My guess is that they didn't go because NJ didn't want them, and they knew it.

men arent born with vaginas, but if you keep bitchin your gonna grow one.....

 

[gunfyter]

Huh? Since when to all pilots belong to unions, and all NFL and NBA sure as hell don't have college degrees.

What airline with more than 500 pilots does not have a union?

 

[B19 Flyer]

What airline with more than 500 pilots does not have a union?

uhh.... Jetblue, Skywest and Flexjet?

(Was that a trick question?)

 

[B19 Flyer]

What airline with more than 500 pilots does not have a union?

And before you ask, Tiger, Kobe and Lebron don't have college degrees either... because I know THAT question will be next..

 

[gunfyter]

uhh.... Jetblue, Skywest and Flexjet?

(Was that a trick question?)

Flexjet does not have 500 pilots. And according to some of the posters claiming to work there ... there seems to be issues with Crew Rest requirements....

JetBlue and SkyWest.... AirlinePilot Central shows pretty sad pay for pilots considering equipment. Also it shows a union drive going on at JetBlue right now....

Best you can come up with?

I think I'll stick with the union.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Flexjet does not have 500 pilots. And according to some of the posters claiming to work there ... there seems to be issues with Crew Rest requirements....

JetBlue and SkyWest.... AirlinePilot Central shows pretty sad pay for pilots considering equipment. Also it shows a union drive going on at JetBlue right now....

Best you can come up with?

I think I'll stick with the union.

You do that.

It'll make the rest of us feel much more comfortable.

Last I knew,Flex had over 500, airlinepilotcentral has them at 485. Close enough.

We've seen what unions have done to other large regionals such as Eagle and Comair. I'll take Skywest thank you.

JetBlue still has a way to go, but in consideration of the industry, I'll take the 121 carrier over the fractional after working in both.

Delta is the least unionized legacy carrier.

How do you stack up against Delta as a company, not just a pilot union? I know that you don't consider that like I do, but that is a consideration.

You're non-rev privs holding up well?

 

[jppt2000]

non rev priv.s?

You're non-rev privs holding up well?[/quote]

Non-rev privs.?
Are you joking?
That's almost an urban myth today.
Go on a vacation non-rev?
With the stress of getting there and back, within days of each other, no way.
Also, when/if you get to where you're going, how to pay for lodging?
Spouses, kids and family are only gonna put up with that stress a couple of times before they wanna stay home.

 

[gunfyter]

Non-revving is great! Ride in the back of a Falcon or a X with your family.Have taken Pilot's families, mechanics families and office workers families. Non-scheduled so be prepared to fing your own way back but if you are flexible you can usually fingd your way back with 21 days off for vacation.... But why not just use your Airline miles to get home on a reserved seat after staying in a Hilton or Embassy Suites with your Hotel points?Not many here would opt to return to the 121 world.

 

[Helmsalee]

Guys, again I ask, PLEASE don't force me to see B19's blue drivel by quoting him.