FLOPS Impass?

[B19 Flyer]

"Arrogance. I like that in a pilot."​

TOP GUN​

But the reality is... without Pilots, there is no reason to have aviation companies or build airplanes. Just like there is no reason to build football stadiums without players or build Hospitals if there are no Doctors.​

Its all about the pilots.​

Right up until the fuel truck doesn't show.

Then, it's all about everybody else.

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Football players can play without stadiums.

Doctors can practice without hospitals.

The military routinely gets the job done with remote control drones.

(I wonder if those drones are union?) :laugh:

 

[skanza]

do you have a picture of you in your wallet?

"Arrogance. I like that in a pilot."​

TOP GUN​

But the reality is... without Pilots, there is no reason to have aviation companies or build airplanes. Just like there is no reason to build football stadiums without players or build Hospitals if there are no Doctors.​

Its all about the pilots.​

Wow, you are full of yourself. That can be dangerous for CRM (cockpit resource management for the non-pilots out there). Just think, without wealthy people or airlines to purchase airplanes for travel, there would also be no reason to bulid airplanes. It is not all about the pilots, its about everybody in aviation, we all need to work together, or not at all.

 

[netjetwife]

Silly would be telling people where you stand over and over again. It doesn't matter the thread, the same people always spread the same FUD. Add value or shut up and move on. It is that simple.

Willy, you nailed it. Frac pilots have obviously already made a choice whether to work under a contract, or not. The frac community posts here to share information and lend friendly support to one another. The anti-union posters constantly interrupting and complaining about the legally exercised rights of the 1108 pilots are as rude and out of line as a person of one religion going into another's congregation and bad-mouthing the beliefs expressed among the membership.... Those of us who post here for reasons of camaraderie should stick to our own conversations and let those who want a never-ending, purpose-less debate have it with one another.

The ignore function was made an integral part of the board to allow members to co-exist peacefully and use their time efficiently.

 

[gunfyter]

Wow, you are full of yourself. That can be dangerous for CRM (cockpit resource management for the non-pilots out there). Just think, without wealthy people or airlines to purchase airplanes for travel, there would also be no reason to bulid airplanes. It is not all about the pilots, its about everybody in aviation, we all need to work together, or not at all.

Yeah. Like its about everybody in a Hospital.

But when you need your appendix taken out ... its all about the Surgeon ... Not the hospital accountants and IT dept.

Just look at the websites for NJ, CS, Flexjets, etc.. Look at all that information posted about how great the pilots are. Thats what people want to be reassured about. That is what is being sold in this industry. Not the airplanes.

 

[B19 Flyer]

The anti-union posters constantly interrupting and complaining about the legally exercised rights of the 1108 pilots are as rude and out of line as a person of one religion going into another's congregation and bad-mouthing the beliefs expressed among the membership....

Yep, thanx to free speech we are allowed to speak our opinion anywhere we want! It's the American way!

As an aviation professional, of which you are not and never will be, I have a right to protect my industry by exposing the negative aspects of unions that I have experienced first hand which you seem to have ignored.

You on the other hand, come from the congregation of

"I'm a pilot's wife therefore I know all" ​

which is laughable amongst those of us who have invested in our careers as pilots and beyond that actually draw a paycheck in the industry.

You can dish out the disrespect to the industry, but when called on it you can't take the criticism. All you do is place on thy ugly boots and run from thy truth.

I have opposed unions because unions have been directly responsible for interupting MY life.

But, as a professional that has worked all aspects of this industry which is something that you have never done, I have never used the words as you have below to disrespect non-pilot employees and the career choices that they have made.

Your exact words NJW were:

 

[B19 Flyer]

the legally exercised rights of the 1108 pilots

You can legally sue McDonalds because you were stupid and dumped a hot coffee in your lap, but that doesn't make it ethical or morally right.

But you are right, it's the American way.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Yeah. Like its about everybody in a Hospital.

But when you need your appendix taken out ... its all about the Surgeon ... Not the hospital accountants and IT dept.

Just look at the websites for NJ, CS, Flexjets, etc.. Look at all that information posted about how great the pilots are. Thats what people want to be reassured about. That is what is being sold in this industry. Not the airplanes.

Funny that you chose to include two companies that do not have unions.

 

[Fozzy]

If a tree falls in the woods..........

 

[B19 Flyer]

If a tree falls in the woods..........

Nobody hears it, but the signature it leaves is unmistakable and everybody feels the damage:

 

[WabiSabi]

This message is hidden because B19 Flyer is on your ignore list.

This ignore feature is a beautiful thing. I encourage all to at least try it. It is liberation from the constant abject nonsense and stupidity!

 

[netjetwife]

Absolutely! There's no reason to put up with rudeness and constant interruptions from a person you weren't even speaking to. Behavior like that usually indicates a hidden agenda and/or a warped personality.

THE IGNORE FUNCTION IS GREAT FOR GIVING RUDE OBNOXIOUS POSTERS THE BOOT

 

[Joe Jet Pilot]

If a tree falls in the woods..........

What is the current CGF METAR????

 

[gunfyter]

This ignore feature is a beautiful thing. I encourage all to at least try it. It is liberation from the constant abject nonsense and stupidity!

I am "on board". At least NJ could afford to pay someone of FamilyGuy's caliber. FLOPS is really going low rent with B19.

 

[netjetwife]

Yeah, and remember that the FUD on the board got the deepest when the NJ pilots were making good progress at the bargaining table. None of this is surprising. By this point in FltOps negotiations they're probably working on the final big issues--scheduling and pay. Fud and Harassment (sitting on management's side) are pulling out all the stops now as they trot out their usual tricks. This is the darkest before the dawn phase. NJ folks saw the same thing: doom and gloom communication from upper management that never came to pass; a few Chicken Little's in the group claiming the sky is falling but of course it didn't; and FUD so deep on this board that you needed a row boat to get to the good posts... Hang in there Ops pilots! This roller coaster called contract negotiations might be getting bumpy but there's light at the end of the tunnel. Best Wishes! NJW

 

[cougar12]

What is the current CGF METAR????

good question

 

[skyismyoffice]

This ignore feature is a beautiful thing. I encourage all to at least try it. It is liberation from the constant abject nonsense and stupidity!

I agree!!

 

[SilverSurfer]

What is the current CGF METAR????

KCGF 1805Z WND VRB/0 HEDUOTHRASS VIS 0 SKOBCR TCU TS GR CBMAM CG+ CA+ FC+ PRESFR RMK MANGT STIL HAS DOS NOT GET IT OTLK BLEEK

:laugh:

 

[1folinepilot]

Just look at the websites for NJ, CS, Flexjets, etc.. Look at all that information posted about how great the pilots are. Thats what people want to be reassured about. That is what is being sold in this industry. Not the airplanes.Funny that you chose to include two companies that do not have unions.
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Bob,

The reason that the NJ, CS and Flexjet pilots are all happy is because their management teams have realized that their pilots are priceless assets to their companies thus respecting and paying them the industry standard wage that we all deserve!

The Union did not prevent you and your management team at Flops from giving the Flops pilots the raises you promised!

 

[SilverSurfer]

Full Of Hot Air

Just look at the websites for NJ, CS, Flexjets, etc.. Look at all that information posted about how great the pilots are. Thats what people want to be reassured about. That is what is being sold in this industry. Not the airplanes.Funny that you chose to include two companies that do not have unions.
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Bob,

The reason that the NJ, CS and Flexjet pilots are all happy is because their management teams have realized that their pilots are priceless assets to their companies thus respecting and paying them the industry standard wage that we all deserve!

The Union did not prevent you and your management team at Flops from giving the Flops pilots the raises you promised!

Our management is full of hot air and them selves. They could have stepped up at any time approached the union about extending a raise as long as there were no strings attached to bargaining. Our Union would never have turned it down as long as management did not put pre conditions on it.

Managements constant whining about how they want or wanted to give us a raise but the big bad nasty union wouldn't let them is a huge bunch of crap. At no time would the union have ever prevented our pilots from more money if it were offered.

 

[netjetwife]

Shack! You nailed it, Silver! Had they been serious about improvements, that attitude would have shown up at the bargaining table long ago. The FLOPS would have readily agreed to an ambitious negotiating schedule instead of dragging it out as long as possible. It's time to put the money where their mouth is! Obviously, wielding the stick has backfired. They've been beating down the company trying to break the will of the pilotgroup, but the call for professional compensation in line with the industry standard is growing louder, not weaker.

IT'S TIME TO PUT DOWN THE STICK AND BRING OUT THE CARROTS! NO MORE LIES!
MANAGERS GUILTY OF FALSE PROMISES SHOULD GET THE BOOT.