FLOPS Impass?

[skanza]

Nope..Turns out I am too busy doing a long and thorough pre-flight on old broken FLOPS planes. Then I sit in a FBO waiting for MX.

Here we go again with the "safe pre-flight". We'll just add you to the list too buddy.

Just to clear it up now, as I can feel the gunfire responses being formed, I don't advocate illegal flying or carrying write-ups, the same as I don't advocate breaking and airplane in the name of the union...which does happen. *See above post*

 

[Helmsalee]

Carrying write ups and breaking airplanes both happen and both are wrong. However, if the mx is as bad as claimed, there is not much need for the latter. MHO

 

[dime line]

Here we go again with the "safe pre-flight". We'll just add you to the list too buddy.

Just to clear it up now, as I can feel the gunfire responses being formed, I don't advocate illegal flying or carrying write-ups, the same as I don't advocate breaking and airplane in the name of the union...which does happen. *See above post*

You just don't get it. If there are 5 pilots at this company Breaking airplanes, I think that would be a lot. YOU need to understand these airplanes are OLD, OLD, OLD, and OLD means thay break. Knowbody is making up writeups at FLOPS, and the union leadership is definately not advocating doing so. So enjoy the 50% increase in LEGAL write-ups since Nov 07

Were done playing your games

 

[netjetwife]

Just thinking out loud here...Wonder if theres a way Flops pilots could market themselves to all the Fractionals? Citation Shares,NJ,Flex,XO Jet..And Cause enough of a mass exodos to FLOPS that we actually shut the doors!! At least we would go on our terms and put Flops three Goons out of commission for good..I for one already have a emergency back up job. Just for the reason that I dont think this company is gonna survive anyway..To bad Flops pilots couldnt all set a date when there last day is and all quit on that day..It would solve Sh*tfingers problem of having to pay the pilots a industry standard wage...I am not talking a strike here..I am talking walking out and not coming back..And watch Flops crumble to the ground

I've always thought the pilots that helped to build the company have every right to expect it to be managed like its successful rivals in the industry. I think it's better to insist on a fair contract that makes it possible to stay put where you've made friends and built seniority. The Options pilots have earned a profitable, stable career at FltOps. If the FLOPS (managers) have to be forced by way of the contract to do their jobs with as much professionalism as the pilots then I say hold your ground and make 'em do it.

INEPT MANAGERS DRAGGING THE COMPANY DOWN SHOULD GET THE BLACK BOOT

 

[skanza]

Games?

You just don't get it. If there are 5 pilots at this company Breaking airplanes, I think that would be a lot. YOU need to understand these airplanes are OLD, OLD, OLD, and OLD means thay break. Knowbody is making up writeups at FLOPS, and 1. the union leadership is definately not advocating doing so. 2.So enjoy the 50% increase in LEGAL write-ups since Nov 07

Were done playing your games

1. Sure they don't admit to it. But there are plenty out there that have that "we'll show 'em" attitude and think this is a good way to bargain. It's indisputable and those who do it know exactly who they are and what thery're doing.

2.How do you explain this increase and where do you get your data? I think an increase like this is something that needs attention, meaning what's the source? How can the fleet all of the sudden have that many more problems?

These airplanes are not "OLD, OLD, etc..." the average age is 8 years. That is pretty young in airplane years. Lear 20s, Westwinds, Saberliners and 20+ Falcons are "old" airplanes and we don't use 'em.

 

[jetwash]

2.How do you explain this increase and where do you get your data? I think an increase like this is something that needs attention, meaning what's the source? How can the fleet all of the sudden have that many more problems?

It looks like someone is out of the loop.

Maybe you should ask around to someone who lives by stats :laugh:

 

[Helmsalee]

Because no one is carrying write ups any more, dummy!

 

[dime line]

1. Sure they don't admit to it. But there are plenty out there that have that "we'll show 'em" attitude and think this is a good way to bargain. It's indisputable and those who do it know exactly who they are and what thery're doing.

2.How do you explain this increase and where do you get your data? I think an increase like this is something that needs attention, meaning what's the source? How can the fleet all of the sudden have that many more problems?

These airplanes are not "OLD, OLD, etc..." the average age is 8 years. That is pretty young in airplane years. Lear 20s, Westwinds, Saberliners and 20+ Falcons are "old" airplanes and we don't use 'em.

#1 Your right about the ones that "will show em", but they are on their own, not under union.

#2 Sheringa, go upstairs and ask him, this was right from his mouth.


Not OLD, maybe not in years but when you fly 1200hrs per year on a corporate airframe that should only fly 400hr per year, your gonna break quite a bit

 

[B19 Flyer]

1. Sure they don't admit to it. But there are plenty out there that have that "we'll show 'em" attitude and think this is a good way to bargain. It's indisputable and those who do it know exactly who they are and what thery're doing.

2.How do you explain this increase and where do you get your data? I think an increase like this is something that needs attention, meaning what's the source? How can the fleet all of the sudden have that many more problems?

These airplanes are not "OLD, OLD, etc..." the average age is 8 years. That is pretty young in airplane years. Lear 20s, Westwinds, Saberliners and 20+ Falcons are "old" airplanes and we don't use 'em.

This is classic union rhetoric, they all think they are doing something new. Once the company begins to trend it for evidence, the judge will grant an injunction against the union, the union will claim they didn't sanction it and the union will be told to cease and desist anyway along with putting 25 grand as a bond.

They aren't as bright as they think they are.

 

[Galaxy]

Here we go again with the "safe pre-flight". We'll just add you to the list too buddy.

Just to clear it up now, as I can feel the gunfire responses being formed, I don't advocate illegal flying or carrying write-ups, the same as I don't advocate breaking and airplane in the name of the union...which does happen. *See above post*

Just wondering where you read into the post to think I was doing something illegal? Must be that noxious gas they are pumping into the OCC you are breathing.
Why not do safe and thorough pre and post flights? Isn't that why dispatch send me out to the plane at 5 am to do a 5 hour inspection till my first trip. They obviously didn't want me resting. So I will do the best job that I can do. We have the oldest and most neglected fllet of all the fracs. Do you think it is that difficult to find neglected items?
Don't worry skanza- we will do the fighting for you and you can take the pay raise and either give it back amongst the owners or the general FLOPS budget. I do hope you do something productive with it and tell your family while they are on a nice vacation that it is being provided by the hard working union at FLOPS. Then you can admit to them that you were never one of them but a corporate leach instead. What a role model..

some more 501's coming your way----I can even hear that heap out there breaking......ha ha ha ha ha

 

[skanza]

Just wondering where you read into the post to think I was doing something illegal? Must be that noxious gas they are pumping into the OCC you are breathing.
Why not do safe and thorough pre and post flights? Isn't that why dispatch send me out to the plane at 5 am to do a 5 hour inspection till my first trip. They obviously didn't want me resting. So I will do the best job that I can do. We have the oldest and most neglected fllet of all the fracs. Do you think it is that difficult to find neglected items?
Don't worry skanza- we will do the fighting for you and you can take the pay raise and either give it back amongst the owners or the general FLOPS budget. I do hope you do something productive with it and tell your family while they are on a nice vacation that it is being provided by the hard working union at FLOPS. Then you can admit to them that you were never one of them but a corporate leach instead. What a role model..

some more 501's coming your way----I can even hear that heap out there breaking......ha ha ha ha ha

Not sure what you mean by more 501s coming my way but, I don't want a vaction that is provided by the union working hard. I want what I have worked hard for. And this is possible without the union. I'm sure of it, I don't need them. In fact, it's more likely without the union since they seem so self-interested and short sighted.
Corperate leach? Sure, or just someone with a different view than everybody else here that is pro union. I guess that means I need censored because there just can't be any other way. Right?

 

[1po'dpilot]

what happened to your signature skumza? I liked it better before you took it out... Anyway you can join B19 in my ignore list. Youre nothing more than a management troll. You and Bob can go find your non union utopia elsewhere cause it isnt happening at Options!

 

[Galaxy]

Not sure what you mean by more 501s coming my way but, I don't want a vaction that is provided by the union working hard. I want what I have worked hard for. And this is possible without the union. I'm sure of it, I don't need them. In fact, it's more likely without the union since they seem so self-interested and short sighted.
Corperate leach? Sure, or just someone with a different view than everybody else here that is pro union. I guess that means I need censored because there just can't be any other way. Right?

501's-because my partner was bored sitting around he just came in with a list..I like that guy..I just had to let you know I was busy working....I hope you do get a vacation via the union. I am ready for it. I am here to put an end to crappy flying jobs. You sound like one of the guys Bob was talking about during the union drive.. "If you vote the Union in you will not be able to come directly to mgt for issues including pay" Sounds like you have your own sweet little deal.. My pay is published in the manual nothing more nothing less. If so, you do have something to be worried about. If you are one of the many people that have burned your bridges outside of this company by screwing one of the over 400 pilots who have scattered themselves across the industry. I guess it would be hard getting a better job than FLOPS for a guy with your reputation then.

Your statement that you would take the money the Union negotiated for you does make you a CORPORATE LEACH.

You can have your opinion... mgt always has a different view than the real backbone of this company.

End it NOW!!!!
Contract or CLOSE THE DOORS!

 

[skanza]

*censored* content does not support the union

what happened to your signature skumza? I liked it better before you took it out... Anyway you can join B19 in my ignore list. Youre nothing more than a management troll. You and Bob can go find your non union utopia elsewhere cause it isnt happening at Options!

So you too will censor me because I don't agree with your point of view. By continuing to ignore that there may be some drawbacks to joining the union, you set yourself up for a possible failure by shutting down the company and, like I've said for a long time, not having any salary to negotiate. So keep drinking your union "kool-aid", as you would put it, and don't complain when it all goes away because of your selfish laziness. These are big decisions and they should be well though out. Only considering one side is detrimental to the outcome for both sides. You don't see me or any others against the union ignoring you guys, do you? Explain that.

Life is more difficult when you're stupid.

 

[skanza]

another list. 400A? Hawker? which one?

501's-because my partner was bored sitting around he just came in with a list.. A list? Why? I bet I know...I like that guy..I just had to let you know I was busy working....I hope you do get a vacation via the union. I am ready for it. I am here to put an end to crappy flying jobs. You sound like one of the guys Bob was talking about during the union drive.. "If you vote the Union in you will not be able to come directly to mgt for issues including pay" Sounds like you have your own sweet little deal.. My pay is published in the manual nothing more nothing less. If so, you do have something to be worried about. If you are one of the many people that have burned your bridges outside of this company by screwing one of the over 400 pilots who have scattered themselves across the industry. I guess it would be hard getting a better job than FLOPS for a guy with your reputation then.
Guy?
Your statement that you would take the money the Union negotiated for you does make you a CORPORATE LEACH. Better that a union leach... The union will not negotiate for me. I won't take it. I said I would take it if I had to, but since I don't, I won't. You can't change that, pal.

You can have your opinion... mgt always has a different view than the real backbone of this company. Always? Come on, that's typical union rhetoric. Anti management simply because its management it not very well though out.

End it NOW!!!!
Contract or CLOSE THE DOORS!

I still don't see how closing the doors is the only alternative to having a contract.
Contract=pay squeezed out of a non-existent fund that will go away soon
Close the doors=no pay
Both equal "End it now" so why don't you quit instead of ruining it for the rest that actually want to work for FO.

 

[netjetwife]

what happened to your signature skumza? I liked it better before you took it out... Anyway you can join B19 in my ignore list. Youre nothing more than a management troll. You and Bob can go find your non union utopia elsewhere cause it isnt happening at Options!

Well said! You, too, Galaxy! Ignore the FUD and the mind games and decide for yourself whose posts are worth reading and whose you prefer to skip via the ignore function. No one feels guilty not taking a sales call or zapping out commercials. Being selective on the board is no different than that. Those of us using the ignore function have seen enough anti-pilot, anti-union, FUD to know that we don't want to waste our time reading more of the same. I'm glad I've set my screen to focus on the frac community friends I care about while I turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to the Chicken Littles and fudspinners. FltOps isn't going to cave in over fair wages. IF it were to happen it would be because of bad management and the FLOPS obviously shouldn't be in business if the only way they could make it was by exploiting the pilotgroup that helped to build the business. I'm proud of the Options pilots and the stand you're taking for yourselves, your families, your fellow pilots, and the frac community!

THOSE RUNNING A FUD CAMPAIGN AND BAD MOUTHING THE FRAC COMMUNITY WARRANT THE IGNORE LIST BOOT

 

[TheBigMan]

This is classic union rhetoric, they all think they are doing something new. Once the company begins to trend it for evidence, the judge will grant an injunction against the union, the union will claim they didn't sanction it and the union will be told to cease and desist anyway along with putting 25 grand as a bond.

They aren't as bright as they think they are.

JUST LIKE EMAY INCIDENT! SUCK AN ENGINE PLUG, HOT START, COVER UP, FLY PLANE ALL WEEKEND, GET PHONE CALL FROM FAA, TAKE PLANE FOR BOROSCOPE. COVER UP, COVER UP, COVER UP! THROW PILOT BEHIND ASAP TO PROTECT HIM.

PRICELESS

 

[Galaxy]

I still don't see how closing the doors is the only alternative to having a contract.
Contract=pay squeezed out of a non-existent fund that will go away soon
Close the doors=no pay
Both equal "End it now" so why don't you quit instead of ruining it for the rest that actually want to work for FO.
Better that a union leach... The union will not negotiate for me. I won't take it. I said I would take it if I had to, but since I don't, I won't. You can't change that, pal.

This just proves you are not a pilot at FLOPS and have nothing in this except your F & H paycheck.
You guessed it--close the doors. We will all get new jobs that pay a lot more when the owners go elsewhere. Except you FUD Spinners. You will have to wait till the next company revolts against Shatfinger.
Contract or CLOSE the DOORs is the ONLY option! Choose one the go tell it to your boss. We will take either one..
They have made enough money off us. We will no longer subsidize the luxury travel for the wealthy nor support weak and inept mgt.
I will not quit nor fail! I am here till the end for better or for worse!

 

[1po'dpilot]

Well I have Skanza on ignore but I thought other readers might find this interesting... A quick google of "skanza" and you get many results. Is this you skanza?
http://skanza.deviantart.com/
or maybe this is you? hmmm? :laugh:

http://www.myspace.com/skanza

Good stuff lol... enjoy!

 

[CA1900]

About me:
Well I'm a student at the college here or (high school). I'm into almost everything, except gay buttsecks. I enjoy everyone's company, and love to talk about pointless random crap....

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Buttsecks?

:laugh:

 

[netjetwife]

Galaxy, I know you are only interested in a FAIR contract that offers parity with your frac peers, but don't be surprised when the FLOPS offer you guys a POSTA first... Remember, that all of this is very predictable; they're taking their cues from Fud and Harassment who sits right next to them at the bargaining table. What a waste of money that could, and should, be spent pulling up the wages of their own workers. They'll claim they can't pay the pilots the professional salary they're worth, at the same time they're helping to fill the F&H coffers with your pay raise... Here's an ugly irony; you know that firm doesn't work without a contract..and they certainly expect to get the going rate for their expertise...

THE FLOPS HAVE HIRED UNION-BUSTERS TO HELP THEM NEGOTIATE. THAT KIND OF BARGAINING NEEDS TO GET THE BOOT.

 

[dime line]

Galaxy, I know you are only interested in a FAIR contract that offers parity with your frac peers, but don't be surprised when the FLOPS offer you guys a POSTA first... Remember, that all of this is very predictable; they're taking their cues from Fud and Harassment who sits right next to them at the bargaining table. What a waste of money that could, and should, be spent pulling up the wages of their own workers. They'll claim they can't pay the pilots the professional salary they're worth, at the same time they're helping to fill the F&H coffers with your pay raise... Here's an ugly irony; you know that firm doesn't work without a contract..and they certainly expect to get the going rate for their expertise...

THE FLOPS HAVE HIRED UNION-BUSTERS TO HELP THEM NEGOTIATE. THAT KIND OF BARGAINING NEEDS TO GET THE BOOT.

Any Idea how much they are being paid???

 

[Galaxy]

I know what they will try NJW, I have read the FUD Bible and watched the events unfold at NJA for 8 years. I expect nothing less from our contract. I am sure they will put garbage across the table. I have tons of trust in the MEC that they will not even push crap on us to vote on.

It is just fun watching mgt struggle running a company when F & H is set out to break the union even if it destroys the company. F & H will take no blame and move on to the next victim. FLOPS will spend the next 5 years trying to recover from this.

 

[PigPile]

Any Idea how much they are being paid???

Around 3:30 in the second link will answer your question. The Unionbusters are charging around 1500-2500 per day + expenses. The lawyers that they work with are getting 700 to 1000 per hour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qajBfEdzoE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddjIJ-4y1mw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So_Fv4a9EPo&feature=related

 

[netjetwife]

Excellent post!!

There you have it. Not the kind of money a hurting company can come up with, is it... I have Levitt's book, but it's even more interesting to watch him in person--laying it out there--all the manipulation, making pawns of the supervisors, etc. This series should be required viewing for the entire Options group. You heard Levitt, union busters will do and say whatever it takes; they care nothing about the workers' well being and morale they are trying to destroy. Put the fudspinners on your ignore list and please don't quote them. They are here to run their propaganda war and the frac pilots (and their supporters) should shut them down by shutting them out.

Another Levitt quote from Confessions Of A Union Buster: Watching the crude and abusive nature of my old associates during those years, I was forced to acknowledge the vile nature of my field. Slowly I began to realize that my more polished techniques were just a distilled version of the same villainy. Not only were working people crushed by the cruelty of the union busters, but the companies themselves were raped, as consultants and attorneys conspired to wring as much money as they could out of their clients. .... I felt repulsed by what I saw and sickened that I was, in fact, a prominent member of the club. I renounced the field.

 

[skanza]

eff yu

Well I have Skanza on ignore but I thought other readers might find this interesting... A quick google of "skanza" and you get many results. Is this you skanza?
http://skanza.deviantart.com/
or maybe this is you? hmmm? :laugh:

http://www.myspace.com/skanza

Good stuff lol... enjoy!

That is good stuff. Especially since it proves that you are so way off. But I can take a joke, just like well I'll save it for later...

 

[Galaxy]

Yes, Pease save it for CONTRACT day!

 

[learflyer]

Buttsecks?

:laugh:

:laugh:

now i've seen "lose" and "loose", and "descent" and "decent" get confused on this board but............you've had to at the very least seen a playboy with the word sex in it. unless "sex" is a no no word on this board.:laugh: