Flops cx

[slowtation capt]

A normal flight from Punta Cana to Wilmington, NC:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N702FL/history/20091226/1657Z/MDPC/MBPV

Until the B screen cracks inflight

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N702FL/history/20091226/1657Z/MDPC/MBPV/tracklog

Emergency descent, land in Providenciales. Call company and tell them what happened. Get handed over to a PSM that proceeds to chew the crew out for not continuing onto to ILM after the B screen shatters.

PSM then gets the crew to get into the airplane along with the passengers that were onboard and take the airplane to PBI at FL240

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N702FL/history/20091226/2155Z/MBPV/KPBI
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N702FL/history/20091226/2155Z/MBPV/KPBI

Thanks MK for being a top notch PSM

 

[FLSTCI]

You have got to be kidding me...

 

[dime line]

If you cant fly with the "B" screen cracked how is the pilot going to ed may this?

 

[Ticker]

ASAP. Make it official and at least there's a paper trail. Business as usual in Clown Town is see.

 

[ozpilot]

Mx didn't fly that plane to PBI. The crew did.

 

[Fedmagnet]

Flight Options business as usual. YAAAWN! This is mild compared to most stories at Flops.

I take it that continueing with a busted "B" screen is no-no, especially into IMC. I am sure that it was properly documented in the maintenance log and differed before departing Provo......NO?? How about the verbal from maintenance and PSM of "it's OK, you don't need it". That's how Flops rolls.

Don't bother fileing an ASAP report, ASAP program is just a "get out of jail" free card for the company.
Send it to all the Air Safety Inspectors that you know. No get out of jail free card outside of the ASAP program.

I have worked in and around dangerous flight department environments but Flight Options takes the Grand Prize! No mistake about it, Deliberate actions on managements part and the ability to get the type rated crews to second guess their actions and better judgement, to be willing to risk life and property rather than doing the right thing.

Some owners have wised up to how dangerous Flops is and have moved on but some still believe that they are safe and are saving a buck with the renta wreck operation.

I would like to congratulate the crew and their Experimental Passengers, did anyone get their names?

 

[skanza]

A normal flight from Punta Cana to Wilmington, NC:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N702FL/history/20091226/1657Z/MDPC/MBPV

Until the B screen cracks inflight

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N702FL/history/20091226/1657Z/MDPC/MBPV/tracklog

Emergency descent, land in Providenciales. Call company and tell them what happened. Get handed over to a PSM that proceeds to chew the crew out for not continuing onto to ILM after the B screen shatters.

PSM then gets the crew to get into the airplane along with the passengers that were onboard and take the airplane to PBI at FL240

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N702FL/history/20091226/2155Z/MBPV/KPBI
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N702FL/history/20091226/2155Z/MBPV/KPBI

Thanks MK for being a top notch PSM

Sooo....you're sure there were pax on board the leg from MBPV to PBI? I doubt that - it was probably a ferry. The company would not (and can not) fly people with a broken windscreen. Come on get the facts.

 

[Fedmagnet]

Per the GOM, the crew is required to call Maintenance control in KCGF for "proper guidance" on writing up the discrepancy. They give you the "you don't need it" and tell you to continue on. If the crew insist on putting it in writing, the alarms go off and a brain dead program manager or anyone else that has sold their sole will instantly call the Captain and tell them that they (the crew) are very mistaken on their professional decision on an aircraft that they have been throughly trained on. The crew feels that their job is in danger and caves, deciding that it is suddenly better to risk life and property to appease the idiots in KCGF. The management person that makes the call in some cases is not even typed in the aircraft.
The crews should be congratulated on making the wise professional choices, never at Flops. The culture at Flight Options is to fly the busted azz planes they give you and break regs without question.

 

[cherry20's]

Sooo....you're sure there were pax on board the leg from MBPV to PBI? I doubt that - it was probably a ferry. The company would not (and can not) fly people with a broken windscreen. Come on get the facts.

Wow, I'm agreeing with Skanza... No way there was actually pax on board, please... Say it ain't so!

 

[dime line]

Wow, I'm agreeing with Skanza... No way there was actually pax on board, please... Say it ain't so!

Well, this is FLOPS, i'd like to agree with skumza but I can't.

 

[Afterburner]

Wow! That is simply asstounding!! I don't know much,... but even if the shattered pane was the outer one that provides no structural significance that's bad enough, however, if it was the inner pane which I believe I remember is the primary load carrying member...that is really asking for a new hairdo, facial and colon cleansing all at once!! There are always two sides to every story and it would be great to get the flight crews raw data on this, but any way you flip it, based on the information in here... it still sounds pretty messed up!

 

[mach85]

Going by Flightaware they were above FL350 with pax onboard.... so unless one crewmember was wearing an oxygen mask, secured and sealed, which I highly doubt, the crew had already violated the FAR's long before the B screen shattered

 

[skanza]

Well, this is FLOPS, i'd like to agree with skumza but I can't.

Why not? Were you on the flight? Do you know the crew?
Come on, give some credit here, I know you hate FO, but that doesn't mean they would fly passengers on an aircraft with a broken window - really.

 

[Fedmagnet]

OOPS! I was thinking EIFIS..EFIS....em....one of those electric tv screens.
But that makes it a step up on the serious scale.

Does anybody have a copy of the Flops MEL on that?
If it is MELable, is it a "M" or "O" procedure sign off?

 

[chainring]

Might want to get the facts before you start flaming someone. The CX can be flown with a cracked B screen to a maint base per the AFM.

No pax were on board. There are some real a$$holes on here.

 

[skanza]

I believe this discussion is over slowtation capt. It doesn't look like there's an issue with this flight.
Goodnight

 

[ozpilot]

The CX can be flown with a cracked B screen to a maint base per the AFM.

True. Its a maintenance item that is in the limitations section. Never figured out why its there. Maintenance in the X is like any other jet aircraft. If something is broken, the plane is grounded unless the it can be deferred by the MEL or some other FAA approved procedure. Why does a maintenance item need to be in the limitations of the AFM?!

FWIW the limitation only applies to the outer layer. Does the flight crew make that call?

 

[SilverSurfer]

Might want to get the facts before you start flaming someone. The CX can be flown with a cracked B screen to a maint base per the AFM.

No pax were on board. There are some real a$$holes on here.

Your information is accurate, thank you for posting factual information rather then conjecture. I heard that the jet was moved to PBI without documentation of a 501 or a ferry permit. I know a 501 is required , is a ferry permit required or can the jet be operated a some altitude with out one?

 

[TheBigMan]

Including You!

Might want to get the facts before you start flaming someone. The CX can be flown with a cracked B screen to a maint base per the AFM.

No pax were on board. There are some real a$$holes on here.

A$$HOLES?

Yes, there were pax on board.

Yes, I do have first hand knowledge.

 

[chainring]

A$$HOLES?

Yes, there were pax on board.

Yes, I do have first hand knowledge.

Well you really are a stupid A$$hole BigMan.

There were NO pax on either leg in or out of Povo. Not sure where your firsthand knowledge is but it sucks.

I know and have talked with one of the crew and confirmed NO PAX.