Flight Options?

[B19 Flyer]

Yea and my objection is your dumb az rants about BS, LIKE YOU HAVE A CLUE

Moron

That's Beavis, your hero right? :laugh:

 

[fischman]

In your arguement, remember that you used the term "rank and file" before any of us.

You are still coming across as a sexist pig. If you spoke to a lady like that in front of me, you would only do it once. I recommend a throttle back and an apology for the sexist remarks.

 

[J3guy]

B19 you've got to be the biggest moron this board has seen. Give it a rest.

 

[dime line]

I love it, B19 is in a battle with a WIFE, He cant battle pilots, and will not answer pilot questions, but dmm he will tear apart a WIFE.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Who's the bigger mooron

Who's the bigger MOORON?:erm:

B19 or the pilots that continue to play his game?

 

[netjetwife]

In your arguement, remember that you used the term "rank and file" before any of us.

You are still coming across as a sexist pig. If you spoke to a lady like that in front of me, you would only do it once. I recommend a throttle back and an apology for the sexist remarks.

Thanks, Fisch! I'm representative of many other pilots' wives who sacrifice a lot for their husband's career and respect has certainly been earned, aside from basic manners and fairness, as you noted. You are also correct that the term "rank and file" was first used by B19. I joined the conversation because I agreed with Gunfyter and we both used the term according to the proper meaning--workers akin to enlisted troops, (as opposed to officers) whose jobs command less money. The US pays their pilots/rated officers considerably more than the enlisted/support workers, but all service members are respected and their contribution valued. When the USAF starts to lose too many pilots to civilian aviation they raise the pay --and the support folks understand that it's an economic necessity, not a respect issue. Workers hold the positions they do because of choices they freely made. The average worker views pilots as professionals and fully expects them to be compensated accordingly.

Common sense tells us that the support workers at FltOps would much rather have the company growing and attracting pilots rather than the status quo of watching those critical professionals leave in disgust one after another. All employees want to work for a company they can be proud of instead of one that is avoided by qualified applicants because the pay is too low and management has a bad reputation.

J3 and DL, you're absolutely right that B19's tirades are excessive and ridiculous. It's a sign that the Options pilots are a strong presence at the bargaining table. (The NJ pilots went thru the same thing in their negotiations). Union haters can't deny that the underpaid Options pilots are justified in expecting the going rate for their professional skills and experience so all you hear from them is FUD...FUD....FUD...and more FUD....

 

[Galaxy]

I too agree that an apology is in order from B19. He seems to cross more lines every day. First comparing her to Hitler and now his sexist remarks.
I too would give him the beating of his life if it was my wife in person with these remarks he says.
I know where many of the FLOPS dispatchers, schedulers and support personnel have come from. It is not that impressive. Most are fresh out of college. The others come from ordinary jobs in resturaunts and retail. They were hired not for their skill but because they showed up for the interview. If you worked at FLOPS you would understand the reality and desperation here. FLOPS has proven that they can replace the non essential personnel pretty easily and train them within a few days to a week. Pilots and mechanics are not so easy to replace. Hence the current situation we are in. So please compare apples to apples in this discussion.
As far as fractionals go.. NJW is closer to the fractional world than B19 will ever be. So yes her opinion counts for something. She has also been honest about her position and past-something B19 has yet to divulge to anyone. That is why you are viewed as a FUD slinger. Until you prove otherwise-you are nothing more than some F & H lawyer making a bunch of money spreading FUD here. As a FLOPS pilot I can tell you that no matter what B19 says over and over and over there are two solutions to FLOPS labor issues. a CONTRACT with Industry Wages and Work Conditions. Or Shut it Down and Close the Doors!

 

[Fozzy]

*yawn*
Is that jacka$s still being a sexist prick? You think he would have been taught manners when he was a child. I hope I don't fail my children like his parents did. :0
I can hear his garbage now. Like a vague old memory. Bla bla bla, NJW was never a pilot.
Well he is not one either. Just some desk jockey banging away at a desk.
Behind the desk because he doesn't have the nuts or skill to do the job any more.
Guys put him on ignore and free yourself from his FUD. Then maybe just maybe FUD and Harassment may reassign him.

 

[gunfyter]

Do not allow 19 to provoke you.

His job is to drive a wedge between the pilot group and everyone else that works at FLOPS.

Your IGNORE list is where he belongs.

 

[brokeflyer]

b19 must hate working at FLOPS

 

[B19 Flyer]

As far as fractionals go.. NJW is closer to the fractional world than B19 will ever be.!

While no longer involved in the fractional world, I was part of the rulemaking process for 91K, which makes me closer to the fractionals than you Galaxy, and a hell of a lot closer to somebody like her that sits on the sidelines an expert. She's like a sports reporter that has never played the game. She knows all, she speaks all and is an expert at something she's never done, and all of you guys get sucked in by it.

To tell me I don't understand the fractional world would be laughable if you only knew the reality... and yes, the apology would be to me, not her.

It's a shame that unions have a mob mentality that can't stand somebody that is independent and has a different opinion and experience.

 

[B19 Flyer]

I'm representative of many other pilots' wives who sacrifice a lot for their husband's career and respect has certainly been earned, aside from basic manners and fairness, as you noted.

My wife has sacrificed also. We raised two children to young adults and she balanced a full time career at the officer level as an executive in a worldwide company (that was the only salvation because she was able to transfer after the UNION caused layoffs to my career and uprooted us twice).

What have you done with your career? It doesn't appear very dynamic. The best you can do is support the union.

It's clear that the only reason that you are such a huge supporter is because your husband is part of union leadership.

Success for the union lines YOUR pocketbook more than the average union member. By doing union work instead of flying, he gets to be home more often and you benefit.

You have a personal agenda for your support. It has nothing to do with the industry.

 

[fischman]

Seriously? You don't think the wife of a military man is dynamic?

 

[AeroBoy]

Interesting since B19 said he was part of the fractional FOARC committee, and the list of members is public domain (see below). My guess is that B19 is either Darnell Martins or Gary Hart -- it's a toss-up IMO.

Members of FOARC

David Harrington – Airbus Industries
Gary Arber – Alpha Flying
Michael Pittard – Aviation Charter Services
Thomas Ciotti – Aviation Resource Management
Lee D. Monson – Boeing
Dennis Keith – Bombardier Business Jet
Frederick Gevalt, III – The Air Charter Guide
Geoff Parker – British Civil Aviation Authority
William Yek – DaimlerChrysler
Patricia Thomas – Department of Transportation
Dayton Lehman – Department of Transportation
Paul Stinebring – Emerson Electric
Richard G. Smith, III – Executive Jet Aviation
Katherine Perfetti – Federal Aviation Administration
Edward Kammerer – Fleet Capital Leasing
Darnell Martins – Flight Options
Ed Bolen – General Aviation Manufacturers Association (GAMA)
W. W. Boisture, Jr. – Gulfstream
Joseph Corrao – Helicopter Association International
Marc Fruchter – Marc Fruchter Aviation
Andrew Cebula – National Air Transportation Association (NATA)
John W. Olcott – National Business Aviation Association (NBAA)
James C. Christiansen, FOARC Chairman – TAG Aviation USA, Inc.
Donald Baldwin – Texaco
Trevor Owen – Transport Canada
Gary Hart – Raytheon TravelAir
Timothy McSwain – U. S. Aviation Underwriters Group

 

[Fozzy]

I was waiting till someone dug up that list.
He is not Gary, as Gary's grammar is "unmistakable" .

I sure hope :uzi: he outed himself. Now that would be funny! :laugh:

Just start googleing names.

 

[dime line]

opps, is B19 in a lie again?

Moron

 

[netjetwife]

When isn't he? If he isn't posting Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt, what he says is False, Unreliable, and Dumb.... On top of that it's irrelevant to the situation faced by the fractional pilots and what is currently happening in their lives. The Options pilots have chosen to organize their collective efforts to work under a contract so to continually push his anti-union FUD down their throats is disrespectful of their right to self-determination and constitutes harassment. That's why so many board members have put him on their ignore lists.

Declare your personal space a FUD-Free Zone.... give Fudspinners the boot

 

[Guitar Guy]

...what he says is False, Unreliable, and Dumb....

Excellent one, NJW!!!

:laugh:

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks Guitar Guy! To quote our friend, Realityman, "I'm just keeping it real".

 

[AeroBoy]

Make sure you google Darnell Martens (not Martins) since his last name was misspelled in the FOARC list. Seems Martens was even involved in some sort of a White House scandal in 1993 before he landed at Flight Options -- see story here. He's now the CEO of Vitesse Flight Partners.

Is that you, B19?