Flight Options Vacation Changes

[captham]

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[Fedmagnet]

If your looking for someone to blame for slowing the process of getting a fair contract. Do not blame the union. The Union has asked the pilots to follow a few simple guidelines like:
1. Do not work overtime.
2. Do not do anything illegal for or against the company.
3. Register as a member and pay your dues.
4. Be professional.

Here is just some of the July overtime offenders:

Beechjet
Jeffrey Baylor
Scott Dunn
Doug Wrobel
Christopher Marasovich
Darrell Bird
Tom Shultz
Tyrone Graham
Gregory Myers
Donald Winden
Samuel Vincent
Jonathan Hixson
Daniel Windedahl
Christopher Smith
Todd Insalaco
Randall Reel
Fred Shirley
William Hardley
Samuel Johnson

Hawker
Thomas Parks
Paul Chupek
John Stehwein
Gordon Rhoades
Jim Hughes

Legacy
Patrick Dean
David Amsdell
Michael Mahan
Brian Groenhout
Jack Weigand
James Johnson
Chuck Brace
Brian Logan

Be sure to thank these pilots for thinking of themselves and slowing the process of getting a contract settled in a timely manner.

When one pilot was asked why he was working all the overtime he could get, seniority number 1 was quoted to say; "I am high enough in seniority that a layoff will not effect me!" It is this kind of thinking that will delay a contract for eternity.

 

[greygoose]

If your looking for someone to blame for slowing the process of getting a fair contract. Do not blame the union. The Union has asked the pilots to follow a few simple guidelines like:
1. Do not work overtime.
2. Do not do anything illegal for or against the company.
3. Register as a member and pay your dues.
4. Be professional.

I guess you are following the rules yourself by following number 4. "Be professional." That is going too far by posting names of people working OT. People have their own reasons of why they need to work OT.
I am sorry but if I needed the money at home, my family would come first...

 

[Dep676]

If your looking for someone to blame for slowing the process of getting a fair contract. Do not blame the union. The Union has asked the pilots to follow a few simple guidelines like:
1. Do not work overtime.
2. Do not do anything illegal for or against the company.
3. Register as a member and pay your dues.
4. Be professional.

Here is just some of the July overtime offenders:

Beechjet
Jeffrey Baylor
Scott Dunn
Doug Wrobel
Christopher Marasovich
Darrell Bird
Tom Shultz
Tyrone Graham
Gregory Myers
Donald Winden
Samuel Vincent
Jonathan Hixson
Daniel Windedahl
Christopher Smith
Todd Insalaco
Randall Reel
Fred Shirley
William Hardley
Samuel Johnson

Hawker
Thomas Parks
Paul Chupek
John Stehwein
Gordon Rhoades
Jim Hughes

Legacy
Patrick Dean
David Amsdell
Michael Mahan
Brian Groenhout
Jack Weigand
James Johnson
Chuck Brace
Brian Logan

Be sure to thank these pilots for thinking of themselves and slowing the process of getting a contract settled in a timely manner.

When one pilot was asked why he was working all the overtime he could get, seniority number 1 was quoted to say; "I am high enough in seniority that a layoff will not effect me!" It is this kind of thinking that will delay a contract for eternity.

I am sure you know that these people are all working voluntary OT?? Do you know some people do get forced OT? I know some are but how do you know which ones are.

Also like was said before, be a professional. Can you say HYPOCRITE??????

Before you try and bash. I am a dues paying member. Are you??? You are being bashed on our own IBT board. That is if you are really a Options pilot.

What a FRICKIN LOSER!!!!! Way to bring the fence sitters over. Guys like you are driving the wedge deeper between the fence sitters and the union. You are the reason why people have a bad taste for unions.

GROW UP A$$HOLE!!!!

 

[The Great One]

I am sure you know that these people are all working voluntary OT?? Do you know some people do get forced OT? I know some are but how do you know which ones are.

Also like was said before, be a professional. Can you say HYPOCRITE??????

Before you try and bash. I am a dues paying member. Are you??? You are being bashed on our own IBT board. That is if you are really a Options pilot.

What a FRICKIN LOSER!!!!! Way to bring the fence sitters over. Guys like you are driving the wedge deeper between the fence sitters and the union. You are the reason why people have a bad taste for unions.

GROW UP A$$HOLE!!!!

I agree, what a morron !!!!
and here's the kicker, the list is actually missing some people

either way, that's acting way below what management is doing to us

 

[400pilot]

That is going too far by posting names of people working OT. People have their own reasons of why they need to work OT.

My name isn't on that list, however, I did OT in July. I took some financial hits this year that were out of my control. I thought I could pull out of it but ended up with my mortgage (among other things) being 3 months delinquent. At that point, I had not done a day of OT in 2 years. I did some (5 days) to save myself and my family from financial disaster. Now, I've pretty much recovered and don't do anymore. I apologize to no one and would love to have any of you try and give me 5hit about it. I could use such a great stress relief.....

 

[The Great One]

My name isn't on that list, however, I did OT in July. I took some financial hits this year that were out of my control. I thought I could pull out of it but ended up with my mortgage (among other things) being 3 months delinquent. At that point, I had not done a day of OT in 2 years. I did some (5 days) to save myself and my family from financial disaster. Now, I've pretty much recovered and don't do anymore. I apologize to no one and would love to have any of you try and give me 5hit about it. I could use such a great stress relief.....

OT mutha fudga

agreed with you on that one (not just because I know who you are.....)
some people need OT to survive (like guys on the flex for example), but when pics do it just to stay away from their wives or buy a 3rd house or boat, hell no. Pay your dues and then you'll afford those things easily

 

[dash_trash]

Here is just some of the July overtime offenders:

Read the whole post and it states right up front that it is a partial list. My guess would be that these are people that do OT on a regular basis.

OT among a pilot group is always an area were there is resistance. Some depend on it, others like it, but the truth is, if this company were properly staffed they would not be sending requests for OT each week. If someone needs a day due to some unusual circumstance ... I could let that slide.

Habitual OT workers ... live within your means ... YOU are costing ME and MY family an increase in OUR quality of life due to your selfishness!

Dues payed and a proud supporter of the 1108.

 

[skyismyoffice]

Read the whole post and it states right up front that it is a partial list. My guess would be that these are people that do OT on a regular basis.

OT among a pilot group is always an area were there is resistance. Some depend on it, others like it, but the truth is, if this company were properly staffed they would not be sending requests for OT each week. If someone needs a day due to some unusual circumstance ... I could let that slide.

Habitual OT workers ... live within your means ... YOU are costing ME and MY family an increase in OUR quality of life due to your selfishness!

Dues payed and a proud supporter of the 1108.

I agree that guys regularly doing OT may not be helping, but it's still not cool to post names. It may not be just a matter of living within their means, there may be some big time issues requiring the OT. Lets not bash people based on a list published here. If you have an issue with someone, do the decent thing and talk to them one-on-one.

I really hope this is a post by management...

 

[WabiSabi]

Hey dip-poop, You're not helping the union effort with your idiocy by posting names. You're a detriment to solidarity. You are contributing to the slowing of our contract as much as those that are doing OT.

Folks, the posting of these names is in no way sanctioned by IBT local 1108. Our logo says "Professional Aviators". Not "Knee Jerk Morons"

If your looking for someone to blame for slowing the process of getting a fair contract. Do not blame the union. The Union has asked the pilots to follow a few simple guidelines like:
1. Do not work overtime.
2. Do not do anything illegal for or against the company.
3. Register as a member and pay your dues.
4. Be professional.

Here is just some of the July overtime offenders:

Beechjet
Jeffrey Baylor
Scott Dunn
Doug Wrobel
Christopher Marasovich
Darrell Bird
Tom Shultz
Tyrone Graham
Gregory Myers
Donald Winden
Samuel Vincent
Jonathan Hixson
Daniel Windedahl
Christopher Smith
Todd Insalaco
Randall Reel
Fred Shirley
William Hardley
Samuel Johnson

Hawker
Thomas Parks
Paul Chupek
John Stehwein
Gordon Rhoades
Jim Hughes

Legacy
Patrick Dean
David Amsdell
Michael Mahan
Brian Groenhout
Jack Weigand
James Johnson
Chuck Brace
Brian Logan

Be sure to thank these pilots for thinking of themselves and slowing the process of getting a contract settled in a timely manner.

When one pilot was asked why he was working all the overtime he could get, seniority number 1 was quoted to say; "I am high enough in seniority that a layoff will not effect me!" It is this kind of thinking that will delay a contract for eternity.

 

[guido411]

OT mutha fudga

some people need OT to survive (like guys on the flex for example),

I agree that names shouldn't be called out like this either, but I DO disagree with you. . .

If you cannot afford to live based on what the company tells you you will be making, don't take the job. I used to do a little OT here and there but not in the last 2+ years. As an SIC (not on the flex but still underpaid) I am able to live within my means WITHOUT overtime. I don't buy the excuse. Nobody should EVER count on OT at ANY job to make ends meet.

 

[The Great One]

I agree that names shouldn't be called out like this either, but I DO disagree with you. . .

If you cannot afford to live based on what the company tells you you will be making, don't take the job. I used to do a little OT here and there but not in the last 2+ years. As an SIC (not on the flex but still underpaid) I am able to live within my means WITHOUT overtime. I don't buy the excuse. Nobody should EVER count on OT at ANY job to make ends meet.

ok now explain how to get another job on the side not knowing what your schedule is
and having kids, day care cost will equal wife's earnings

 

[nomore]

Let's remember.

Why did the union ask us as pilots not to do overtime? Because at the time the threat of lay-offs was real and we were concerned with those at the bottom of the seniority list. We wanted to do all we could to help our brothers and sisters keep their jobs. But now even though BT has not announced it the threat is probably over. Now I for one would like to see a change of strategy. I think we have the solidarity to do it too. Let's encourage OT, the more the better. Then yank it at the appropriate time. Should I post strategy here for all to see. I don't see how it could hurt. I'm sure Ford and Harrison have seen it before, but what could they do about it?
What do you Flops fighters think?

 

[guido411]

ok now explain how to get another job on the side not knowing what your schedule is
and having kids, day care cost will equal wife's earnings

Read the post. . .

I didn't say one should try to get a job on the side. If the wage that you're told you will receive is not going to be enough from Day 1, DON'T ACCEPT THE JOB!! If you you find yourself in the predicament of not having enough money because the pay you signed up for is not enough I have no sympathy for you.

 

[guido411]

Why did the union ask us as pilots not to do overtime? Because at the time the threat of lay-offs was real and we were concerned with those at the bottom of the seniority list. We wanted to do all we could to help our brothers and sisters keep their jobs. But now even though BT has not announced it the threat is probably over. Now I for one would like to see a change of strategy. I think we have the solidarity to do it too. Let's encourage OT, the more the better. Then yank it at the appropriate time. Should I post strategy here for all to see. I don't see how it could hurt. I'm sure Ford and Harrison have seen it before, but what could they do about it?
What do you Flops fighters think?

Interesting strategy, but I'm afraid illegal in the end. See the Union can assert that they don't want pilots to do OT because we want to show management that without OT doers the operation is understaffed and that we want to protect our jobs on the bottom of the list. For the Union to give their blessings to do OT and then all of a sudden take that blessing away may constitue an illegal job action without authorization for self help.

I still think the company needs to hire to appropriate staffing levels and everybody needs to forget about OT being available anytime they want it.

 

[400pilot]

For the Union to give their blessings to do OT and then all of a sudden take that blessing away may constitue an illegal job action without authorization for self help.

How do you figure? OT is voluntary....there is nothing illegal about asking pilots to not volunteer.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Why did the union ask us as pilots not to do overtime? Because at the time the threat of lay-offs was real and we were concerned with those at the bottom of the seniority list. We wanted to do all we could to help our brothers and sisters keep their jobs. But now even though BT has not announced it the threat is probably over. Now I for one would like to see a change of strategy. I think we have the solidarity to do it too. Let's encourage OT, the more the better. Then yank it at the appropriate time. Should I post strategy here for all to see. I don't see how it could hurt. I'm sure Ford and Harrison have seen it before, but what could they do about it?
What do you Flops fighters think?

Yank it at the appropriate time?

Wonderful. Let's see how we can screw the company over and affect all those employees that are not represented by the union to get what they want.

This is EXACTLY the example I have repeatedly used to prove my point about why I like my non-union airline.

This isn't the opinion you were soliciting, but it's what you are going to get.

 

[WabiSabi]

Yank it at the appropriate time?

Wonderful. Let's see how we can screw the company over and affect all those employees that are not represented by the union to get what they want.

This is EXACTLY the example I have repeatedly used to prove my point about why I like my non-union airline.

This isn't the opinion you were soliciting, but it's what you are going to get.

Since you don't work at FLOPS, you have no basis for your statement. As was said in another post, OT is voluntary. There is nothing illegal nor is there anything unethical about this strategy. Ford & Harrison and FLOPS management are the ones that are "screwing the company" It would be the fault of management for relying on OT to crew the airplanes. Also, if you worked here, you might have realized that FLOPS' crew ratio is much lower than the other fracs.

nomore, I like your idea!:beer:

 

[Majik]

Withhold anything extra for the company. Educate and encourage everyone else that wants to see improvements to do the same. Encourage them to do it all of the time, not just when it is convenient. Some will never listen and will take advantage of the efforts and sacrifices of others. Keep up the pressure to educate them. More will join the effort the longer this drags on. 1 year from now you will have more support. 2 years from now you will have even more. Try to convince the group to act sooner rather than later.

To the guy that needs every bit of OT to make ends meet - What would you do if OT wasn't available, just lie down in the gutter? No, you would do whatever it takes to provide for your family. Be honest, OT is the easier option. Easy may make things seem better short term but you better hope not too many of your fellow pilots are like you, else not enough pilots will shoulder the load and time will march on and years will be added to your struggle.

When a large enough percentage of pilots are willing to fight for a contract, you will get a contract. Until then...

Trust me, I know.

 

[Spackler]

Yank it at the appropriate time?

Wonderful. Let's see how we can screw the company over and affect all those employees that are not represented by the union to get what they want.

This is EXACTLY the example I have repeatedly used to prove my point about why I like my non-union airline.

This isn't the opinion you were soliciting, but it's what you are going to get.

Speaking of yanking it at the appropriate time, how about the timing of last years PAY CUT from the Flops dream team? Right before Christmas we find out that our medical insurance is going to cost us about 300% more. I went from about $140 per month for family medical to $400 per month! Not to mention the increased co-pay and decrease in what get covered.

Merry F'ing Christmas!

Or how about the timing of this latest vacation bull$hit? I was going to have Christmas off this year with my kids FINALLY! Now its a big mystery, I'm sure I'll be sitting in the FBO AGAIN. Merry Christmas kids, I know daddy promised he'd be home for this Christmas but I work for EVIL people who do not care about their employees and do not understand the concept of HAPPY EMPLOYEES = PRODUCTIVE EMPLOYEES.

Merry F'ing Christmas!

These were just 2 examples of how flop's bean counters have screwed us over at really inappropriate times. There are many more.

These bean counters can't understand that if the Pilots were treated fairly, and with respect, we could make this company more money than any of there penny pinching initiatives. That is why flops got the Union it deserved BOB!

The reasons I came to flops have all but gone away. I will fight to the very end to make flops a decent place to work again but if management chooses to fight us and delay the contract we deserve than so be it. Flops will self destruct. If that is the case, it was management that let it happen, not the Union.

What are your plans for Christmas Bob? Must be nice to know that your schedule can't be changed arbitrarily. Ahh, the benefits of being senior managements puppet.