Flight Options Negotiations Update

[netjetwife]

First things first, I think it's good news that the gloves are coming off the FLOPS. If any of the Options pilots were still on the fence the latest onslaught of FUD should show them who's really on their side. When MS and his cronies pull out all the stops and throw their worst at you, it means the end is within sight. All you have to do is dig in your heels and hang on. Then they'll realize they can't break you and get serious about finishing up the contract.

Sorry, Pro, it was a brief aside and still the subject is related to your negotiations. It takes money to make money and that certainly applies to contract battles. Billboards, flyers, ads, picketing, etc. gets expensive. I thought you guys would be pleased that the Ops pilots are inheriting a LOT of money from the NJ pilots. Your group will also be getting their own office and help in setting it up. I fail to see how making your group financially stronger and more efficient can be viewed as "splintering", especially as the agreement calls for NJASAP and 1108 to work together on future endeavors. NJW

 

[netjetwife]

I agree...that's why I BLOCKED NJW along with B-19. His prerogative certainly. The inane propaganda of BOTH is of no purpose or interest to me whatsoever. Then why not skip the insults? Considering that the majority of frac pilots are unionized, discussions about union affairs are to be expected, especially during contract negotiations. I like to keep up on ALL aspects of the aviation industry (you NEED to especially now) with other pilots. I agree. Being married to a fractional pilot means that I need to understand what is happening in this industry because it directly impacts my life. That's why I began posting here.

To do this, it should be easy here to find the info in its appropriate topic, but these 2 incessant spamming outsiders made that difficult... B19 is an outsider, but I am not. Is Voice a frac pilot? He doesn't identify himself as one. If he isn't then he has less of a tie to the fractional industry than I do. At least until I put them and a select few other trolls on ignore. Which just goes to prove that the system does work and it is easy to find the info one is looking for. He shouldn't have waited so long to use the ignore function. I highly recommend it to all. Me, too. I use it to filter FUD but I read everything else....even my bad press... Luckily those posters are normally few and far between--present FUD campaign by B19 excepted. Brings much sanity back to the boards, and increases the IQ level of the board dramatically. Wasn't Voice the one who had to ask directions for using the ignore function? If so, his IQ remark seems rather hypocritical...:erm:

As for corporate scum like BT and MS, we in the pilot profession need to also work across the entire aviation industry to publicly "out" these company raiding tactics and create a public outcry until something is done to stop them. These 2 goons see what is going on at the majors level and think they can pull the same crap. We need to stop them by stopping those on a larger scale that they are attempting to imitate. Make the outrage so public and so big that change is DEMANDED by everyone.

I had the impression that Voice was anti-union, but it seems that the worthy, albeit ambitious, PR campaign he'd like to see is just the type of expensive, organized effort that unions are better suited for compared to individual pilots. Perhaps one of you guys can suggest that to him? That is, if you don't mind winding up in his doghouse for posting "inane propaganda"....

 

[Galaxy]

Bob can babble all the crap he wants. He does not own FLOPS and he will not make the final decision on this issue. Until the last day comes. CONTRACT or CLOSE the DOORS.

 

[netjetwife]

Bob send us more! I am LMAO! You ask Why?

1) You have known for two years that Flight Options needed to match Net Jets or at least come very very very close . So quit crying poverty! ....

Good point, Cougar! Shares figured out how to increase their pilots' wages pretty quick -- after both the 2005 and the 2007 NJA pay raises. It looks like MS has a motivation problem and needs a forceful nudge. I recommend a black boot. Hang in there! NJW

 

[keithbjaz]

since Babbling Bob has made it clear that we are not going to get a Industry Fair contract..I Dont see whats left to negotiote??Time to shut this place down

If Babbling Bob is Robert Hardy Tyler, Good luck!!

 

[dime line]

If Babbling Bob is Robert Hardy Tyler, Good luck!!

why yes he is,the one and only

 

[Galaxy]

If Babbling Bob is Robert Hardy Tyler, Good luck!!

I see his reputation preceeds him.

Just like the other dirtbags sitting in CGF today.

 

[dime line]

We at FLOPS pride ourselves in hiring only the best the industry has to offer. You didn't know that?

 

[shanes123]

Come on Keith..Tell us what you know about that P.O.S. I still want to know why he was fired from Tag Aviation

 

[keithbjaz]

Come on Keith..Tell us what you know about that P.O.S. I still want to know why he was fired from Tag Aviation

BT and I were friends once in the Air Force. No longer. We were at EAL (I left in '89, he didn't) and JAL. Don't know about TAG, but can guess he convinced them (former F-4 drivers) that he had strengths in training, evaluations, standards, and safety management. He doesn't. They probably found out.

BT's main goal in life is BT. He may have one strength, and that is convincing the uneducated to believe a story. He is as anti-employee and anti-union as they come, but he is harmless, and is only trying to promote BT.

Good luck to all

 

[dime line]

We at FLOPS pride ourselves in hiring only the best the industry has to offer. You didn't know that?

Case in point......Kenn Ricci is back

 

[jetwash]

BT's main goal in life is BT. He may have one strength, and that is convincing the uneducated to believe a story.

This should get interesting now that KR is back since his main goal is KR. I have a feeling BT's main goal is going to soon be KR.

( one positive for BT is that the flavor of a$$ that he is kissing is going to change from Curry to Italian.)

 

[dime line]

One of the biggest problems at FLOPS, from PSM's to Sanjay, all of them are kissing rear end. Most have no reguard for the average line pilot, its just a game.