FLIGHT OPTIONS (and only Flight Options) related PILOT discussion

[shanes123]

Best thing to do with B19 is just not respond to any of his posts. It gives him a forum to spread his Bullsh*t. He either is a scumbag with a agenda or some loser that has nothing better to do then get on here and talk trash. Let him say what he wants and nobody respond. Eventually he will take his ball and go home. Or get his *ss Fired and have no interest in being here anymore..Either way we win.

 

[Majik]

I think you guys are under estimating the value of someone like B19 to your success.

When NJA pilots were going through their battle with an unyielding management, the naysayers and profits of doom (Family Guy, NJA Crewservicer, a few NJI pilots, etc.) actually steeled the believers and made many fence-sitters join into the fight.

So relish B19 and let him help get the troops fired up by telling you how bad you are for wanting to be paid industry standard wages for the work you do and how you're doomed to failure.

The naysayers to NJA pilot's struggle probably have no idea how much they ultimately helped us.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Ignorance is bliss

I think you guys are under estimating the value of someone like B19 to your success.

When NJA pilots were going through their battle with an unyielding management, the naysayers and profits of doom (Family Guy, NJA Crewservicer, a few NJI pilots, etc.) actually steeled the believers and made many fence-sitters join into the fight.

So relish B19 and let him help get the troops fired up by telling you how bad you are for wanting to be paid industry standard wages for the work you do and how you're doomed to failure.

The naysayers to NJA pilot's struggle probably have no idea how much they ultimately helped us.

Not once have I suggested that any pilot shouldn't be paid industry wages. Not once have I ever stated that any pilot shouldn't have decent work rules.

You union mongering idiots have stated that I have said that, go through all 400 plus posts of mine and see if you can find a single word regarding that.

What I have repeatedly stated, is that unions create turmoil and be careful what you ask for.

Once again, look at the radical nature of these boards. The FLOPS guys are acting like spoiled brats and the NJ guys are unhappy with the IBT that supported the sanctioning of 1108 to represent them after they got their industry leading contract because they are paying them too much of their hard earned dues.

In my eyes, it's too bad.. You wanted the union, you got it. Pony up to the bar boys, and give the Teamsters what you owe them. Stop whining about it.

It's turmoil, after turmoil and the union guys are never happy. It spills over to the non-pilot employees and every other facet of the carrier.

There are non-union carriers that have high QOL without unions, and it's funny that the unions will even take credit for those.

For those guys that want a union, go find a company with a union and go work for them. Don't bring your bad attitude to a carrier that doesn't have a union and infect it.

 

[gunfyter]

19,

We are more like a Bank... than an airline.

We manage other peoples assets. OPM.

Our top mangement are Investment Bankers... not airline and OEM manufacturer people.

Fractional Reserve Banking

Banks loan out up to 10 times as much money (OPM) as they have on deposit in their "warehouse" called a Bank.


Fractional Aircraft Ownership.

Fracs effectively loan out 10 times as many airplanes as depositors (owners) have stored in their "warehouse" aka a Hangar.

JetCards are like ATM cards... used to withdraw wht you have on deposit.

 

[B19 Flyer]

19,

We are more like a Bank... than an airline.

We manage other peoples assets. OPM.

Our top mangement are Investment Bankers... not airline and OEM manufacturer people.

Fractional Reserve Banking

Banks loan out up to 10 times as much money (OPM) as they have on deposit in their "warehouse" called a Bank.


Fractional Aircraft Ownership.

Fracs effectively loan out 10 times as many airplanes as depositors (owners) have stored in their "warehouse" aka a Hangar.

JetCards are like ATM cards... used to withdraw wht you have on deposit.

You remember that next time the FAA has you call the tower for a conversation.

You remember that when you go in for recurrent training.

You remember that when you are waiting for a signoff from maintenance to begin your next flight.

You remember that next time scheduling books you a hotel or limo ride.

You remember that next time your dispatcher files your flight plan for you.

You remember that next time HR cuts your pay stub.

You remember that every function mentioned also happens at airlines everyday.

The only difference between a frac and an airline is how the revenue comes in the door.

Everything else is the same, the certification, the insurance, the airplane requirements (Part 25) and the airspace system.

The best part of it is, without the 121 airlines, repositioning crews would be impossible. You should be nice to the 121 people, for without them, fracs wouldn't be able to exist.

You work for an airline whether you like it or not and are subject to the same market pressures.

 

[netjetwife]

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The naysayers to NJA pilot's struggle probably have no idea how much they ultimately helped us.

Majik, it's nice to see your spinning plane on the board... (I've missed it) and to read your perspective. As you noted, the FUD always gets deep around here during contract negotiations or even if pilots just start talking about organizing their collective efforts to improve pay and work rules....

Shane, respectful posters are a pleasure to converse with. I agree with you that those who are not should get the boot:fudspinners, word twisters, and reality warpers to the front of the line!

Hello, to you too, Gunfyter! Your explanation is easy to follow, but don't be surprised when the targeted audience ignores it because it doesn't fit the agenda...

Stepping over the FUD puddle to get to the worthy posts,
NJW

 

[B19 Flyer]

that "small group" was 67% and it was not to run the company, but to protect the pilot group against an incompetent, deceptive and unscrupulous management.

Options has what, around 1700 employees and about 800 pilots? Let's say that 67% of the pilots voted for the union. (about 530)

Pretty safe to say that if the remaining 900 employees had a say in the vote, they would have voted no.

536 yes, 1164 no.

The percentages change a bit eh? It's no longer 67% yes, it's now 69% no.

You are only fooling yourself to think that any non-pilot employee wants to sign his career off to a union that is only there to milk the company from every shred of money they can.

 

[dime line]

Options has what, around 1700 employees and about 800 pilots? Let's say that 67% of the pilots voted for the union. (about 530)

Pretty safe to say that if the remaining 900 employees had a say in the vote, they would have voted no.

536 yes, 1164 no.

The percentages change a bit eh? It's no longer 67% yes, it's now 69% no.

You are only fooling yourself to think that any non-pilot employee wants to sign his career off to a union that is only there to milk the company from every shred of money they can.

Those other 900 employees have the ability to vote for their own union. And if they don't like "the pilots" being union, then they can quit. So again I don't care

 

[B19 Flyer]

Those other 900 employees have the ability to vote for their own union. And if they don't like "the pilots" being union, then they can quit. So again I don't care

And I can certainly say this. Your attitude is what got you guys into the position you are in. Blame management all you want, but in the end it's the non-pilot workers that are there to keep you safe every day. Without their support, airplanes DO NOT fly.

You not caring is exactly why I post and support non union airlines.

 

[imacdog]

19 must really need the overtime today! How much does your firm pay you to post, 19?