Flight Instructing while at a regional?

[Goose Egg]

When I move on to a regional, I will miss flight instructing...

...But not so much that I'd risk my airline job for it. Instructing has been a positive experience, but for me it's a means to an end, not the end itself.

-Goose

 

[John Pennekamp]

The thing is, most of us feel that way. Most airline pilots who instruct on the side, don't do it because they love instruction so much. It's because either they're starving FOs who need the $$$ or it's because a friend wants to get rated and you instruct them for free to help them out.

 

[John Pennekamp]

And you'll still get to instruct at the airline. With the experience level of the new hires these days, every captain is an instructor.

 

[Goose Egg]

And you'll still get to instruct at the airline. With the experience level of the new hires these days, every captain is an instructor.

It's funny that you use the word "get" as in "get to instruct." Instructing is what I'm trying to "get" as in "get away from!!"

-Goose

 

[John Pennekamp]

It's funny that you use the word "get" as in "get to instruct." Instructing is what I'm trying to "get" as in "get away from!!"

-Goose

I was that way too when I instructed full time. But when you move on and haven't done it for a bunch of years, you'll look back and think "I miss it a little, but not enough to do it full time".

 

[Goose Egg]

I was that way too when I instructed full time. But when you move on and haven't done it for a bunch of years, you'll look back and think "I miss it a little, but not enough to do it full time".

True. Even as I took a moment to consider what I had written about wanting to "get away from" instructing, I thought to myself that I would miss it. But I guess if everything goes well career wise, I'll have a little extra funds to do some fun flying myself. It's so hard for me to mentally separate flying single-engine GA airplanes (which I absolutely love) from flight instructing (which I find marginally rewarding from time to time). The thought just occured to me that I could fly single engine airplanes myself... for fun! I feel so greedy right now! ASES here I come...




....in a few years.

-Goose

 

[flyboy06]

AC560, I liked what you had to say, too bad ALPA and most companies are not on your side (not permitted at XJT anyway)

From the ALPA site regarding flight time:

For example, if a flight crewmember had engaged in commercial flying (e.g., flight instruction charter flying, etc.) that totaled 10 hours during a seven-day period, the crewmember could only accept an assignment of 20 hours during this same period from a
Part 121 air carrier. Flying for the Department of Defense (Reserve or National Guard) is not considered commercial flying time and need not be counted for purposes of the yearly, monthly or weekly flight time limitations.

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[jayme]

I got permission from SkyWest a few years ago. No problem.

 

[Black Hawk]

AC560, I liked what you had to say, too bad ALPA and most companies are not on your side (not permitted at XJT anyway)

From the ALPA site regarding flight time:

For example, if a flight crewmember had engaged in commercial flying (e.g., flight instruction charter flying, etc.) that totaled 10 hours during a seven-day period, the crewmember could only accept an assignment of 20 hours during this same period from a
Part 121 air carrier. Flying for the Department of Defense (Reserve or National Guard) is not considered commercial flying time and need not be counted for purposes of the yearly, monthly or weekly flight time limitations.​

Just another case where ALPA doesn't really know what it's talking about. Of course if a company like XJT has a policy against it then it could be a problem. That would be different than an FAA regulatory requirement though.

 

[AC560]

AC560, I liked what you had to say, too bad ALPA and most companies are not on your side (not permitted at XJT anyway)

What Blackhawk said.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

I flight instruct while at a regional.

All the time I get these FOs with 300 hours that do not know how to fly an airplane or talk on the radios. I had better instrument students when I was a CFI.

 

[hawaiimei]

XJT doesn't prohibit flight instructing, and you do not have to have permission to do so - the manual changed this year:

"...each pilot must refrain from engaging in any activity or employment outside of the company. However a pilot may do so if the outside employment/activity is not in a competitive field, detrimental to Expressjet's interest, in violation of the Company Conflict of Interest policy, and does not adversely affect or lessen the pilot's efficiency in the performance of his or her duties."

and it goes on to say:

"In the event a pilot is found to be engaging in an outside activity or activity that the Company feels is distracting from his/her ability to properly handle his/her Expressjet job, that employee shall be notified in writing to curtail such activity to the extent that it no longer detracts from his/her primary duties with Expressjet Airlines."

XJTused to prohibit commercial flying, but the change now allows you to 1) go do your thing without first seeking out a letter of permission 2) if the company finds out (no longer places the responsibility on the individual to disclose).. the the worst thing that happens is that the Company is required to advise you of the problem and provide you the oppurtunity to stop before you get your ass in a sling.

That said, in the event you have a duty time problem or an incident while teaching - you best have something better than the Chewbacha defense when you attempt to articulate your situation to the Chief.

 

[Vicman]

a thought

I too am contemplating part-time flight instruction. I don't fully undestand if that time as IP would could as "commercial flying time" against Part 121 FAA flight time limits...BUT...Hypothetically, could'nt an airline pilot time out for the year (1000 hrs) and then be assigned "pt 91" company reposition flights until dec 31st. If so then, flight instruction should pose no conflict (other than certificate action etc.)

If someone's got another take let me know..before i stray down the wrong path here. thx

 

[Freight Dog]

Hypothetically, could'nt an airline pilot time out for the year (1000 hrs) and then be assigned "pt 91" company reposition flights until dec 31st.

Maybe at Mesa.....

If you are being paid to move an airplane from Point A to point B, I believe the 1000 hour limitation applies even for repo flights...

What this "Part 91" rule is referring to is if you had a C-172 that you wanted to take out for $100 burger some place, you're not prohibited from doing that if you flew 1000 hours at your airline as you're not getting paid for it, and it's pleasure flying.

 

[koepp]

This came from the Q&A section that the FAA used to have on their site.

QUESTION: Does time spent off duty providing flight training under Part 61 as a certified flight instructor (CFI) count toward the maximum time I am permitted to fly commercially in a part 121 air carrier operation? For example, I am a pilot for United Airlines in scheduled passenger carrying operations. I want to provide flight training as a CFI at my home airport in a small general aviation airplane

ANSWER: Ref. § 61.195(a) and § 121.471(a) or (b); Yes, the flight time a person provides giving flight training under Part 61 as a certified flight instructor (CFI) during his “off time” counts toward/against the maximum time permitted to be flown commercially in a part 121 air carrier operation.

The maximum time permitted to be flown commercially in a part 121 air carrier operation is based on the flight time limitations established in:

Subpart Q of Part 121 [i.e., § 121.471]; or

Subpart R of Part 121 [i.e., § 121.481 or § 121.483 or § 121.485 or § 121.487 or § 121.489, as appropriate]; or

Subpart S of Part 121 [i.e., § 121.503 or § 121.505 or § 121.507 or § 121.509 or § 121.515 or § 121.517 or § 121.521 or § 121.523 or § 121.525, as appropriate].

In discussing this question with the FAA’s Air Transportation Division, AFS‑200, air carriers have standing directives to its flight crew personnel that they must inform or refrain from outside commercial flying activities.


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