This whole thread is hilarious. We have interest in the middle east because of one thing and one thing only, OIL, period, end of discussion. Kuwait war, stabilize the middle east so we can have our oil. We went back in because of 9/11, but 9/11 happened because we have our noses in the middle east where we don't need them and they shouldn't be. If the ME didn't have oil it would be Africa, the whole place could sink into the Ocean and the US wouldn't even blink. The ME doesn't hate us because of our beliefs, it's because we won't stay in our neighborhood. In this day and age if the US military mobilizes it's for an economic reason to further fill the pockets of the ultra rich guys running the country, not to spread Democracy and set up elected governments, give me a f---ing break. Yeah, we are in Iraq to spread freedom. Maybe we should spend the trillion dollars or so that the war cost to increase energy efficiency in our own country and get off of foreign oil. I don't think the US would care a whole lot about the ME if that were the case. But that can't happen and here is why. Because we are a bunch of ignorant lazy bastards not willing to make the sacrifices necessary to do that. We can't get away from our redneck, Hillbilly mentality, simple pleasure, instant gratification seeking ways. Lets drive 60 miles to work alone in a pickup truck that gets 10 miles a gallon. why do that? So I can feel like a man and put my deer hunting , and piss on Chevy stickers on the back, that's cool. Why do I drive 60 miles to work? Because I could afford a 4000 ft house out in the sticks for my family of 3. What does that take to heat and cool, little bit of juice needed for that. Then I need a bus to drive me and my oversized friends to the left turn only race, crush 400 brews, and escape the reality of my worthless life that deep down inside I am ashamed of. We can't push away from the gas pump any more than we can push away from the dinner table. We are the fattest, most gluttonous country in the world. We have become an country of soft, lard a$$ people living in the Glory years of our past. Our education system sucks, the same soft people can't take the fact that their kids didn't get straight A's so they pressure the schools into watering down academic standards so no real work needs to be done in order to succeed. Also if you are an average person as well as your wife, chances are little johnny isn't the next Tiger Woods, Einstein, or Mozart. Kids are like adults, a few winners and a whole lot of losers. Quit bragging about them. Improve yourself a little and quit living through them. College has become a business instead of place of learning, it's supposed to be hard, maybe everyone isn't supposed to go, Heaven forbid anything be challenging. Our government used to invest in the major centers of research, making us the leader in new technologies. That's not us anymore. Scientists are fleeing this country rapidly for better facilities in other countries. Take a look at the average people around, yourself included. Do you think this is what the people who built America looked like. I don't. We aren't the group of A$$ kickers that won WWII, no, you guys live in their glory to feel good about being Americans. We haven't done sh-t except squander what they built with blood and sweat. The rest of the world in catching up fast, we are in for one hell of an A$$ kicking. Get used to being China and India's bitch because that's the way it is heading. Keep living in the past by invoking the glory of the WWII vets.
Keep working yourself into the ground so you can buy an even bigger house and car and see how waisteful you can be. All while making yourself a slave to debt, don't change a thing you're doing great. Then when that buzz wears off buy something else to satisfy your retail addiction. Maybe we could show a little restraint and spend our efforts on becoming efficient. Increase energy research and technology so we can get off of foreign oil and away from the maniacs that have it. Mass transit might work, I bet that trillion we just spent in Iraq could have developed one hell of a subway in all of our cities. Quit being a hillbilly and drive a commuter car to work instead of a semi truck. Maybe mix in a few friends in the back seat as well. Live close to work so you can bike or walk. But all of this would take effort and sacrifice which we really aren't good at. We won't change, we will just bomb some brown people and steal it, heaven forbid use less. No, go drop bombs and get more. The second we all realize we are failing miserably and are becoming a joke of a nation we might have a chance of pulling out of this downward spiral we are in. We won't though, the rightwing W lovers will just chant USA, USA, USA into the ground.
That's my rant
W, Worst president ever!
Also if you get p-ssed over this thread chances are it because the shoe fits which isn't my fault. And quit quoting the history books, unless you also read the books written by the side that lost the war. Chances are they have a different opinion. Other opinions? I forgot those aren't really popular with the Ultra right wing religious conservatives. Same reason you think anyone non-christian is crazy right.
