Flex's new bases

[slowtation capt]

What's the thoughts?
Is it what you guys wanted?
Is it what you expected?
Is it something that you guys want?
How are you going to vote?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

What's the thoughts?
Is it what you guys wanted?
Is it what you expected?
Is it something that you guys want?
How are you going to vote?

We have been told that so far the voting has been approx 90% in favor. I voted yes.

Why don't you tell us what your thoughts are.

 

[993_Pilot]

We have been told that so far the voting has been approx 90% in favor....

Kinda like the Options pilots voting on paint schemes... it's the illusion of choice. KR is a master of that illusion. Not what you all want to hear, I know... Carry on.

 

[el raton]

Kinda like the Options pilots voting on paint schemes... it's the illusion of choice. KR is a master of that illusion. Not what you all want to hear, I know... Carry on.

So while I'm packing my stuff and moving to Austin I need to keep reminding myself that what I'm doing is just an illusion?

 

[el raton]

What's the thoughts?
Is it what you guys wanted?
Is it what you expected?
Is it something that you guys want?
How are you going to vote?

I am like, many others, very happy. I honestly never expected flex to open any other bases.

Anybody looking for a house in the Dallas area?

 

[slowtation capt]

What's the thoughts?
Is it what you guys wanted?
Is it what you expected?
Is it something that you guys want?
How are you going to vote?

We have been told that so far the voting has been approx 90% in favor. I voted yes.

Why don't you tell us what your thoughts are.

Why do you care what my thoughts are?
I asked straight forward questions wanting to know if it was something that you guys expected and it turned out the way you wanted it.

My thoughts, I don't understand why you are such a d*ck and are trying to start something from nothing.

They were honest questions to things that are going to change peoples lives, for the better, or maybe for the worse. I don't know, I was just trying to honestly see how you guys felt about it. Don't really see how my questions were meant as anything else.

And by the way TWA, why don't you answer my question on the other thread.
Exactly what was your point about bringing up, remember when....involving the number of Flight Options pilots. You were never a Flight Options pilot, so why do you care to remember when.

 

[doh]

This will allow us (wife and I) to spend summers with our parents. My brother won't be stuck doing all the work that my dad can't do, and we can all just kick back and fish. We can also spend a month in AZ where they winter. So yeah, this will have a very good impact on my life!

 

[imacdog]

How many bases are they opening, and what are the new work rules associated with that? Also, what are the negatives involved that would require a vote from the pilots, instead of just opening new bases?

 

[slowtation capt]

What's the thoughts?
Is it what you guys wanted?
Is it what you expected?
Is it something that you guys want?
How are you going to vote?

Why don't you tell us what your thoughts are.

Why do you care what my thoughts are?
I asked straight forward questions wanting to know if it was something that you guys expected and it turned out the way you wanted it.

My thoughts, I don't understand why you are such a d*ck and are trying to start something from nothing.

They were honest questions to things that are going to change peoples lives, for the better, or maybe for the worse. I don't know, I was just trying to honestly see how you guys felt about it. Don't really see how my questions were meant as anything else.

And by the way TWA, why don't you answer my question on the other thread.
Exactly what was your point about bringing up, remember when....involving the number of Flight Options pilots. You were never a Flight Options pilot, so why do you care to remember when.

I also remember back when FO had 800 +/- pilots.

I also remember when............

It was actually a few #'s shy of 1000.

Are you trying to say TWA that it was the IBT's fault that we are less than half our pilots now then before somebody name S.M. Scheeringa and his little Indian sidekick was tasked by Raytheon with a contract to get Flight Options to a point that they were able to sell it off, because Ricci had the company in such bad financial shape that the only choice for Raytheon was to take it back over. And then after they sold it to HIG, the little indian sidekick Sanjay sued Raytheon for not making good on the contract they provided him that said he would receive a percentage of the sale, all the time they kept telling us we didn't need a contract, that nobody else at Flight Options had a contract, etc......

Don't think I inferred that at all.

Was the IBT on property when you had close to 1,000 pilots?

If they weren't, then how could they be responsible?

Then what exactly was your point of remembering when?

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Exactly what I thought. Too much of a pu**y to answer some simple questions.

 

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Exactly what I thought. Too much of a pu**y to answer some simple questions.

There was actually no point.

You said I remember when several times in your post. I was just continuing the point.

I had several others in mind but none of them pertained to this situation.



On a side note I want to congratulate all of the FJ pilots that are finally getting back into the left seat. It is a good sign that we are headed in the right direction. Better news is that we are actually going to be upgrading someone this summer at FJ that never has been at capt at FJ.

 

[DirtyBeech]

How many bases are they opening, and what are the new work rules associated with that? Also, what are the negatives involved that would require a vote from the pilots, instead of just opening new bases?

30+ bases

A lot of places being opened that many never dreamed of. Particularly West of the Rockies.

7-8 day lines will become part of normal bidding instead of being outside the standard bid rules for these new (secondary) bases.

Longer rotations, to reduce airline costs, should be anticipated, but not mandated, at these new locations. This was not unexpected.

4 minimum days off now availbe to scheduling after a 7-8 day rotation for those new bases. This was not expected.

Everyone is thrilled with the new basing options.

Everyone is not thrilled with the shorter off period options.

Some are worried that these new scheduling rules could bleed over into the original basing rules or negatively effect those with higher seniority at the primary (original 6) bases.

It'll pass.

 

[warlord19]

Uh, Slow, can't you make a post without calling someone a name??????.......you are a........Goooober.
Cheers

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

so is it true or not? In exchange for opening new crew bases you will have new schedules of 8 on/ 7 off?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

And Dirty Beech,
What do you mean these changes were not unexpected? What are they telling you that they are not telling us?

 

[DirtyBeech]

No. There is no hard 8/7 schedule.

We were told that longer rotations would likely be required to get the extra bases, but at the time folks were thinking smaller places that are quasi satellites to the primary bases like OKC is to DFW. That would make sense as that's pretty much a guaranteed two legger to any of our hotspots for owners and therefore most of the travel days would be consumed by airlining.

We didn't know about the 4 day off minimum that would be added to the scheduling rules after a 7 of 8 day rotation at the new (secondary) bases. This is also not a hard schedule. You aren't going to see endless 8-4-8-4 type of schedules being awarded. The scheduling yield hasn't changed.

Having said that....peak flying could get ugly with this as an option for those who move. That, and from personal experience, I'm in the midst of three bid periods with only two off periods that are more than the mandated minimum. Which is to say that, while 8-4-8-4 won't be the norm, it also won't be abnormal. Especially if you run the beginning and end of two bids together poorly.

I am in no way a fan of the 4 off. Maybe it can be changed later, but it's likely to hang about for some time before we have a chance to get rid of it.

 

[slowtation capt]

Uh, Slow, can't you make a post without calling someone a name??????.......you are a........Goooober.
Cheers

Here's a few;

What's the thoughts?
Is it what you guys wanted?
Is it what you expected?
Is it something that you guys want?
How are you going to vote?

Then what exactly was your point of remembering when?

All I have been hearing is how Flex management is the ones running the show now, and all Flight Options reports to them.

How is it then that you guys did not have a voice in making this crucial change to a policy that directly affects your livelihood?

How is it then that your management, the management that I have heard how wonderful and great they are, did not listen to your voices?

I remember when in a company meeting Ricci said that needed to come back ASAP. Oh wait that was only about 6 months ago.

You're right Architect, but I think a better explanation is needed to clarify what you mean by the minimum/maximum.

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Eavesdropping is when someone you know or don't know doesn't know you are listening.
It wasn't eavesdropping
And it wasn't an assumption of him being DO, it was clearly made known.

Want anymore examples?

 

[slowtation capt]

I'm in the midst of three bid periods with only two off periods that are more than the mandated minimum.

Could you explain this further? Don't really fully understand what you mean as I am not all that familiar with your full bidding procedures.

 

[V1 Rotate]

Could you explain this further? Don't really fully understand what you mean as I am not all that familiar with your full bidding procedures.

He probably means that he's doing a "yellow" vs a "green" line. Yellow lines have schedules that waive mandatory minimums if you're willing to work them to have certain days off. Green lines meet or exceed mandatory minimums. You cannot be forced into a yellow.

 

[DirtyBeech]

He probably means that he's doing a "yellow" vs a "green" line. Yellow lines have schedules that waive mandatory minimums if you're willing to work them to have certain days off. Green lines meet or exceed mandatory minimums. You cannot be forced into a yellow.

No. I mean that I'm getting the minimum time off as mandated by a green line. Only one of those three bids was a yellow line as I was daring to get a holiday off with my family and once again failed.


Slowtation,

Per green lines rules (standard scheduling) You are guaranteed a number of days off. 4 days on mandates 3 off. 5 on, 3 off. 6/4, 7/5, 8/6.

 

[993_Pilot]

So while I'm packing my stuff and moving to Austin I need to keep reminding myself that what I'm doing is just an illusion?

I never said that. I said that KR is a master of the illusion of choice. There is no doubt that he is a very smart and charismatic leader, but you just keep paying attention to his right hand that holds the changes you want like added bases, while his left hand will be changing things like longer / extended tours, or shorter off times. That's the illusion... and it is just the beginning. Before you know it, a lot will have changed, and you will be asking yourself how the hell it all happened.