Flexjet side deal mediation attempt?

[doh]

I'm gonna stick around. At least long enough to help the Flex side with decertification.

And I'm going to be laughing at you.

 

[el raton]

And I'm going to be laughing at you.

Whatever makes you happy. To me it's worth a shot. Either way, we all will get by.

 

[shanes123]

EL i would call you scum. But i am going to refrain from insulting scum

 

[el raton]

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[Honorstudent]

Unfortunately for you El most of the Flex Pilots now understand after 3 years under DAC why they need a Union going forward. They have been educated by fire. You and PD FW TP MR are all in a minority, so all I have to say is good luck with that.

 

[Imissmypilot]

El Raton is not a bad guy. He is a former union supporter who feels he was burned by SLI. He is one of the only 25 people who have a legitimate argument. For him and 24 others the only thing that will help is a good contract that raises his station better than he could have expected at a seperated non union Flex.

I am hopeful come August he will be back.

El, I do think we've had enough experience with Kenn Ricci by now we can admit our prospects in a seperated non-unionized Flex would not be much better than frog in a tank full of hungry alligators.

 

[shanes123]

Boo Hoo.. But he's ok with Junior pilots jumping seniority flying bigger planes making more money or RL guys making triple non RL for flying same planes and same trips??? He's a IGM, if everything doesn't benefit him 100% he takes his ball and goes home..Let him stay where he's at. A union supporter is a pilot supporter not when it benefits you personally but all the time. He belongs in the group of IGMs in fact he should be promoted into management

 

[1folinepilot]

I'm gonna stick around. At least long enough to help the Flex side with decertification.

Dude thats a D|CK move on your part to do that to us and our families. If you are that unhappy then leave and go find somewhere else to work. But do not stick around to backstab me and my family.

Im sorry you feel like you got screwed with the SLI but a news flash for you buddy, every Travel Air pilot got FU?K?D in the AZZ with the first Options merge then took it again with the Flex SLI and are going to get dry donkey punched when Ricci buys TMC and XO. Even with all that what our Union has negotiated is far better than any free for all crap fest Ricci would have assigned us.

I wish you well

 

[el raton]

Dude thats a D|CK move on your part to do that to us and our families. If you are that unhappy then leave and go find somewhere else to work. But do not stick around to backstab me and my family.

Im sorry you feel like you got screwed with the SLI but a news flash for you buddy, every Travel Air pilot got FU?K?D in the AZZ with the first Options merge then took it again with the Flex SLI and are going to get dry donkey punched when Ricci buys TMC and XO. Even with all that what our Union has negotiated is far better than any free for all crap fest Ricci would have assigned us.

I wish you well

I'm not going anywhere. I need this job. That is until something better comes along.

It's a d/ck move what the union did and is doing to the pilots at Flex. Our junior captains will end up being bumped out of their seats. After that, Holmes, It will take years for us just to regain back what we lost, thanks to the union.

Please, tell me, why would we support such a losing proposition? It will take years to recoup the financial loss. What's the benefit? We're still going to have 12-14hr duty days. We're still going to work 190+ days a year. We're still going to have the same crappy health care, etc.

The union is a losing proposition, and I will work hard to help decertify. It sounds like the union leadership isn't that worried about decertification so maybe you shouldn't be worried either. However, we're gonna give it a helluva shot.



Btw, I'm not an IGM, I'm trying to just save what I have. Can you fault me? We have different views. We can still all be friends.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

It's not the union's fault, it'sKR fault. RTA/Options had over 1000 pilots at one point. We are so lucky that only 25 guys got the raw deal this time. KR is all about division and his race to the bottom AGAIN. There are a lot of worse sob stories out there. Sitting the fence is one thing,working against other pilots is another. We need everyone's help,or we will ALL pay the price again.

 

[el raton]

It's not the union's fault, it'sKR fault. RTA/Options had over 1000 pilots at one point. We are so lucky that only 25 guys got the raw deal this time. KR is all about division and his race to the bottom AGAIN. There are a lot of worse sob stories out there. Sitting the fence is one thing,working against other pilots is another. We need everyone's help,or we will ALL pay the price again.

Cabbie, I could accuse you of working against other pilots too. I won't stoop that low.

 

[1folinepilot]

I'm not going anywhere. I need this job. That is until something better comes along.

It's a d/ck move what the union did and is doing to the pilots at Flex. Our junior captains will end up being bumped out of their seats. After that, Holmes, It will take years for us just to regain back what we lost, thanks to the union.

Please, tell me, why would we support such a losing proposition? It will take years to recoup the financial loss. What's the benefit? We're still going to have 12-14hr duty days. We're still going to work 190+ days a year. We're still going to have the same crappy health care, etc.

The union is a losing proposition, and I will work hard to help decertify. It sounds like the union leadership isn't that worried about decertification so maybe you shouldn't be worried either. However, we're gonna give it a helluva shot.



Btw, I'm not an IGM, I'm trying to just save what I have. Can you fault me? We have different views. We can still all be friends.

Dude, with your back stabbing self serving attitude you and I will never be friends.

Even in your post that im replying to you are spreading Lies and fud. The Union is not kicking anybody out of their seats or demoting anybody. Even the junior Flex guys that are junior by 6 to 8 years of the Options guys that are out on furlough not making a dime. But you are only worried about yourself

Ricci is purposly pitting as many people against each other in his insane delusional quest to control the pilots and you are sucking into his plan.

The Union is not the problem, you are the problem

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Yes I do try to hold certain other pilots back. KR has already cost me several 100k, and now the company is using certain pilots as pawns to divide the group. How did Netjets become so successful? UNITY.

 

[John MClain]

I'm gonna stick around. At least long enough to help the Flex side with decertification.

Decertification?

You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop regurgitating what you are reading on Yammer, posted by those who also don't know what they are talking about. Decertification can't and won't happen.

On second thought, keep doing what you're doing.

 

[Bjtdrvr]

"Our junior captains will end up being bumped out of their seats."

While it is true that if pilots bump down they may be moved to another airframe BUT you do NOT lose your captain status. That actually was a KR thing during negotiations. That is how our existing contract works at FO. The only way to lose your captain status is if there are furloughs. Then if one is furloughed they can be brought back as an sic. So if your retain your captain status you retain your captain pay which I assume is the crux of the issue. I will say I have no idea what the abitrator will say in regards to this issue. The FAR MORE PRESSING ISSUE is that KR wants all Red Lable crews to be IMMUNE to furloughs!!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully the arbitrator sees through this whole charade and identifies it for what it is! UNION BUSTING!!

BTW just the simple fact that the company prohibits the Fo pilots from participating on yammer is MORE than enough to overturn any decertification vote should it ever even happen. In a documented case, even a person using a company copy machine for the purpose of organizing a decertification vote was enough for the NMB to find fault and company collusion enough to overturn it.

 

[shanes123]

Keep yammer. It's like the RL and IRL the decent pilots don't want to fly with those A Holes

 

[jetwash]

Decertification?

You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop regurgitating what you are reading on Yammer, posted by those who also don't know what they are talking about. Decertification can't and won't happen.

On second thought, keep doing what you're doing.

You are exactly right.

I can't believe how many pilots on the Flex side of the house think that Kenn can call for a decertification vote in December.

They have no idea of who can call for a vote and what is involved to even get to that stage. They are living in a dream world.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Kenn sure likes to waste money.

 

[Honorstudent]

It is Managment and gullible Flex minions that are spreading the word of decert on Yammer, and unless I'm mistaken that is a Huge RLA violation for KR or any of his managers like RH or JW to get involved in that process. Another violation would be the fact that the Flight Options Pilots do not have access to Yammer, which has become a Union bashing web site, with all of the Onesky managements lies being propagated by the usuall antiunion suspects. There is no doubt that KR is attempting to stack the numbers in his favor if there ever was any kind of a vote, hopefully the MCBA at the end of July will calm enough FLEX Pilots that FW MR and others will open there eye's as to what is actually going on. I read the out and out lies spewed forth on Yammer and it is sickening.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Ok so let's get to the heart of the issue: MONEY! Let's just admit that and help you see that is a ridiculous concern. The only people who stand to have a worse W2 next year are probably Red Label Captains who are practically stealing it anyway. (You know the ones who claim they deserve the extra money for their sacrifices in one breath and then in the next rave how their quality of life is dramatically improved as a result of Red Label in the next.)

El Raton is that what you at worried about regarding junior captains too? Because there seems to be enough evidence that financially they won't be harmed except in the event of a furlough which a union actually helps prevent. If anything they will get to enjoy the benefits of pay stability offered to them via a CBA that Ricci himself would NEVER give to them unless there was a sinister agenda attached to it.

I am curious though. I would hardly consider you a junior Captain. 6 ways to Sunday your status as a CL30 Captain is all but guaranteed from here to eternity. Even with seniority based upgrades to International you are just simply too old to expect to get them in time for you to care. Sorry, but actually dude I hope you and I both aren't still flying in 20 years. If so we have royally ********************ed up our retirement goals. But I digress.

Now, regarding your forever CL30 Captain status, given the rough demographics of the Flexjet-only seniority list that was going to remain true whether or not Flexjet was ever sold. So in essence you are no worse off now under the Union's plan, SLI or not, then you were before. Even if you made it to the 604 your pay doesn't change, just your destination. Given the sh!tstorm of crazy Europe is becoming, I say staying far away from that might be a blessing in disguise.

However many pilots at OneSky who have actually been employed far longer than you or I are in fact worse off then before every time Ricci has his way. Out of seniority upgrades, stagnant growth, furloughs, RIFs you name it. That is certainly true for old RTA folk, old Options folks and now even for high seniority Flex folks who have been passed over for slots that should be their's for the taking.

Yet here you sit, a part of the #2 fractional with airframes on order, supposedly a flush sales projection and a pilot's Union protecting your right to fair seniority based upgrades, job protections, better work rules and the first raise we've seen in years and you think this is all doom and gloom you want to work hard to decertify, as if that were even possible? I don't get it.

Put down the Kool Aid friend. Reality is staring you in the face and you are just still too damned angry to take gulp of clear water. I get you're pissed. Frankly there's a small part of me that is pissed to we are not still Flexjet too but dude that is wasted heartache. Your wallet and your ego are not going to be harmed. Ricci's will be and in the end that's why he wants us at each other's throats. Don't fall for the FUD.