Flexjet Response to NJA new offer:

[bailey3083]

Been there done that and have to many tee shirts.

Are they cool T-shirts? Maybe I could borrow one? My freight dawg and Regional T-Shirts are gettin worn pretty badly. LOL

Bailey

 

[Ultra Grump]

Not true... 10 hrs rest ALWAYS. Very generous work rules in my opinion. Feds allow one call per 10 hrs rest before starting the clock over so that's what they do. It's also tough to be the most efficient the other way... waiting until 10 hrs before setting the day up.

Of course it's more efficient that way. It may also be illegal. "Prospective Rest." Look it up.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Perhaps Flex's POI is somehow related to D.M. - the POI for FlOps. The ROC FSDO and D.M. in particular somehow manage to rewrite and "interpret" the FAR's to the benefit of FlOps. Maybe they do the same for Flex.

Do nothing illegal, either for or against, the Company.

PfP

 

[SDCFI]

Floating Rest

There's nothing illegal about floating rest under Part 135. It's a gray area that pilots have wanted cleaned up for years, however the FAA has decided not to fix it...yet. To their credit they did clear it up under 91k, however Flex management was able to convince the POI to allow us to use 135 rules for all operations, even those under 91 and 91k. So, Flex pilots do not get called during rest, that would be illegal. However we do get called during that period after required rest is satisfied, but we are not on duty yet, and under the current 135 rules can still be counted as "rest" when looking back. Does it suck? Yes. Is it illegal? Not right now. Aren't they supposed to be re-writing 135 or something? How close are they to being done?

 

[NJA bound]

You're not on rest unless you can have a beer!

It doesn't get any simpler.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

The FAA has been sitting on the -135 rewrite for 2+ years since the committee finished their rewrite reccomendations.

Someone said that fixing the charter/certificate/control issues were deemed more important by the FAA.

cliff
ABQ

 

[gunfyter]

If you have to answer the phone ... YOU are NOT in Rest.

If you happen to answer the phone and have to come in to fly ... you are not in rest.


Speaking of rest...

Interesting article:

Emergency Order of Suspension​

Item 33​

On at least six separate occasions, the Director of Operations stated how FOS calculates rest requirements. The manner of calculation that he described is contrary to the regulations.

​

I am curious to know how rest calculations were explained to the FAA.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Just because your POI or your FSDO says it's OK doesn't mean it's legal. This is one of the major problems with the FAA. They knowingly let illegal stuff go on, and usually do nothing. BUT, if they decide to do something, EVERYONE gets in trouble.

The FAA should require their regional offices, FSDOs, and all of their employees, not to mention aviation organizations, to follow the rules, ALL THE TIME!

In the charter operations debacle, both the POI and the FSDO was letting various organizations do illegal stuff. When FAA HQ finally got around to doing something about it, some organizations got their certificates pulled, and HQ said the POI and FSDO was wrong.

-135 is written very poorly, the FAA knows it, but they've done nothing with the rewrite. Shame on them!

cliff
ABQ

 

[hammer2]

Hi!

Just because your POI or your FSDO says it's OK doesn't mean it's legal. This is one of the major problems with the FAA. They knowingly let illegal stuff go on, and usually do nothing. BUT, if they decide to do something, EVERYONE gets in trouble.

The FAA should require their regional offices, FSDOs, and all of their employees, not to mention aviation organizations, to follow the rules, ALL THE TIME!

In the charter operations debacle, both the POI and the FSDO was letting various organizations do illegal stuff. When FAA HQ finally got around to doing something about it, some organizations got their certificates pulled, and HQ said the POI and FSDO was wrong.

-135 is written very poorly, the FAA knows it, but they've done nothing with the rewrite. Shame on them!

cliff
ABQ

100% agreement, good post!

 

[NETFLIER]

forward the suspension letter noted in a previous post on to the flexjet poi and get his feeling about it.ask him how the other fractional operators all have full rest when crews are released from duty, but flexjet doesnt have to. How could that be?you can say they havent called you in rest for two years, HOWEVER, they have the right to do it, and believe me when the time comes, THEY WILL....contact your POI, I am helping you out by sending a copy of the suspension letter, along with a letter to FAA agency in Washington DC to get the ball rolling.I am only here to help....www.ibt1108.org (the truth shall set you free)