Flexjet Pilot Authorization Card

[bailey3083]

I am seeing the cards show up in cans, stock lockers and it was rumored some one was working with the Holiday Inn TEB to hand them to pilots when they check in. Also have watched some kool aid drinkers throw them away afraid they will get fired for touching them.

 

[BombJet45]

Most everyone will end Up at the pickle bar sooNer or later. That mIght make a good place fOr those who want to find oNe.
There or at the Christmas party when people walk into the room. Kind of like a door prize.

 

[fischman]

Most everyone will end Up at the pickle bar sooNer or later. That mIght make a good place fOr those who want to find oNe.
There or at the Christmas party when people walk into the room. Kind of like a door prize.

Subtle

 

[finnjl]

5 year lear captain at Flex 87,776 (208 days)
5 year captain at NetJet 90,000 (180 days)

10 year (challenger) captain at Flex 117,936
10 year captain at NetJet 106,000

I have a lot of hotel time this weekend so I looked up pay. It looks like that after 10 years pay is better at Flex than NetJets. The difference is the days worked. 7 on 7 off yields less days worked. So you would have to factor that into the pay. I would imagine if factored the pay would be lower at Flex based on days worked. (personally i like working 4 on 3 off) Also, you would have to consider benefits and I did not do that.

 

[gunfyter]

I am showing 10 year NJ captain flying a BeechJet or a Falcon @ $145K. Plus $1000 for every holiday worked.

216 days per year minus 21 vacation days and flying from 100 bases of their choice nationwide

Live long and prosper...

 

[finnjl]

I do not know about NetJets pay that well. I used airline pilot central for the charts. I have not seen the new pay if the contract passes. About what percentage raise is it?

Here is some more interesting stuff.
AA 10 year captain on Super 80 is 119,808
UA 747 captain makes 143,520

I guess no one in aviation is going to get rich. I guess just living well is about the best we can expect in any area, either the fracs or legacy type carriers.

I am not sure why i posted this here but maybe it is not too bad at Flex.

 

[gunfyter]

There was no straight percentage over all years but for year 10, 216 day schedule it looks like it would equate to about 15% from about $126K to about $145K. Large portion of increase ws to junior years.

 

[Club ORD FO]

5 year lear captain at Flex 87,776 (208 days)
5 year captain at NetJet 90,000 (180 days)

10 year (challenger) captain at Flex 117,936
10 year captain at NetJet 106,000

I do not believe a union is right around the corner for Flex.

Wow Finn your numbers are way off. Where to start? first off, why are you using 208 days? 15.5*13 = 201.5 (rounded to 202)

FlexJet pay:
5 year lear captain (year 4 scale) = $406/day or $82,012/year
10 year Challenger captain (year 9 scale) = $547/day or $110,494/year

NetJets soon to be new pay on 7/7 (182 days/year)
5 year captain: $551/day or $100,408
10 year captain: $655/day or $119,254/year (not sure if this is citation X pay or not, is it higher?)

And NJ is about to have a "15 day flex" which will be something like the 4/3 you like (not sure their exact on/off structure). But that schedule will pay even MORE!!!

Bottom line, NJ works less but gets paid more. Flex is below industry average.

 

[finnjl]

I work 208 days at Flex (16 days per period times 13) that is where I came up with that craziness.

I agree that we work more at Flex which means we essentially get paid less but I was just putting numbers up as I am suffering from hotel bordumb.

the info I got was from airline pilot central

 

[Club ORD FO]

Okay fair enough. The best way to do an apples to apples comparison is to just look at the daily rates across the industry. Flexjet is #3, with Options pulling up the rear.

 

[finnjl]

ok i see what you mean you are using yields and I was using the 16 day min gaurantee. It gets hard to compare in a fair way.

Regardless a pay raise would be nice.

I was also looking at a lot of the posts on this thread and a lot of folks are calling for a union. Flex would be great if they would reduce the days worked and yeild the same pay. (personally I seem to get a lot of home reserve this year, although last year I worked my butt off) I almost hate to say it but if they would open up home basing or something like living close to a major airport that would be an outstanding improvement. It seems to me and not to make the union people upset with me but if we can acheive this without a union that would be better. right?

We got a nice raise in 06 with negotations with mgt so why would we not expect the same in the future. I say try first using all other means before getting a union.

 

[notapilot]

Yields are for crew ratios and staffing not pay! This is where the smoke and mirrors started. I have never been scheduled for a half day nor received a paycheck for 7.75 days. The comparison should be a 16 day line at 208 per year. Watch out for this double talk when we are presented with the changes.

 

[JokerFuel]

With a union in place, I suspect management will be very reluctant to strike up an immeadiate deal. We probably wont see any pay raise this year if we unionize.
Witout a union we will surely get some kind of monetary enhancement this year. Will it be comparable with our industry counterparts? Who knows. Will they give us better rest rules and more days off, or create more domiciles? Why should they.
If we dont speak up, organize and force the changes we want, they will never take place to anyones satisfaction.
So, do we sit on our thumbs, and watch the fat cats get fatter, and accept a mediocre situation? Or, maybe, just maybe we can all play on the same team , and seek an agreement that is palatable to everyone.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

If the company throws some raises at us, will they also offer me job protection? Oh wait, they cant do that, only a union can.

In that case, I still want a union no matter what they do.