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[John MClain]

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion.

I am sure from your position sitting on top of our seniority list the potential of the IBT merging the pilot groups isn't as scarey a thought as it is for the ret of us. Have you been here long enough to have the cushy grandfathered home basing?

Lots of crews at this company talk to me on a very regular basis. The overwhelming consensus is they want nothing to do with a union. Thus is where I get my into from.

I am sure there are pilots here that either want a union or are open to information from the IBT. All I would like is for them to get accurate information so they can make a decision that is best for them and FJ.

This is what I'm talking about guy's and gal's. Nothing, and I mean nothing will ever change this persons mind, so please move on to the task of reaching out to those that do have a sense of reason and common sense.

Ok Slick, I'm going respond to your rather absurd post this one last time and then I will simply do as I have done in the past. Sit back and watch in amazement, the levels you'll stoop to (unemcumbered and free from retribution) to advance your agenda.

You're wrong, as wrong as one can be. I'm very scared about the merging of the seniority lists. You notice I did not use the word potential, that's because unlike you and yours, who are still living in the fantasy world of FlexJet by Bombardier, the rest of us realize that a merging is inevitable.

You also have a credibility problem. You make statements about cushy benefits, the one mentioned I currently do not recieve while simultaneously (unless things have changed at the school house) make your own schedule and in essence pick your trips. This also affords you the opportunity to make more money (which appearently is the only reason you'd welcome the 1108) then those senior to you in the same equipment. You also blast your horn about the scurge of unions all the while your seniority number at another company is being honored because of that companies union. I don't begrudge you any of these, they come with the position, but it does in my eyes make you a bit of a hypocrite.

In your position I'm sure you do talk with a lot of crewmembers, but given your rather onesided and very vocal views regarding all things union, do you actually believe that all these crewmembers are actually telling you how they truly feel? Really?

And your last statement is really a doozie. You don't want that, not one bit. Because if you truly did, we would not be having this sort of dialog at all.

 

[slowtation capt]

This is what I'm talking about guy's and gal's. Nothing, and I mean nothing will ever change this persons mind, so please move on to the task of reaching out to those that do have a sense of reason and common sense.

Let us help you, but please help us, what is it that we can do to reach out. Beyond the message board, as I read your post and completely understand the apprehension there.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

John MClain There are many out there just like me who are approaching this situation with caution and an open mind. It is a tough road to hoe however due the obvious limitations imposed by both the reality of it and mangagement as well. Communication is the key and they certainly have the upper hand at this time. The open access offer on the 1108 website and the rebuttal to the recent yammer fiasco are exactly the types of things that need to be done.

Well said.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Tough ROW to hoe.



Carry on.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

You also have a credibility problem. You make statements about cushy benefits, the one mentioned I currently do not recieve while simultaneously (unless things have changed at the school house) make your own schedule and in essence pick your trips. This also affords you the opportunity to make more money (which appearently is the only reason you'd welcome the 1108) then those senior to you in the same equipment. You also blast your horn about the scurge of unions all the while your seniority number at another company is being honored because of that companies union. I don't begrudge you any of these, they come with the position, but it does in my eyes make you a bit of a hypocrite.

In your position I'm sure you do talk with a lot of crewmembers, but given your rather onesided and very vocal views regarding all things union, do you actually believe that all these crewmembers are actually telling you how they truly feel? Really?

And your last statement is really a doozie. You don't want that, not one bit. Because if you truly did, we would not be having this sort of dialog at all.

Boy I really wish I could pick my trips. Maybe I could quit going to PNE and YUL all winter, or being excited about going home so I can sleep past 0400.

There are a few small benefits that do go with my position. If you knew the extra work that goes on behind the scene with my job you would realize they hardly make up for it. I am not complaining one bit. I enjoy my job and all of the crew members I have been able to help. Maybe you should walk a day in my shoes before you start casting judgement.

As for extra pay, I bet I fell just about right in the average for my LOS and fleet last year.

Anyone else ready to throw rocks from their glass house?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Cross bidding was announced by Kenn. Since he is the boss I think his rules would apply.

Once again, keep telling us how you want to come take our seats.

You message is loud and clear.

 

[V1 Rotate]

I'm curious. Say after an X amount of time goes by and Kenn screws us so badly that we can't see straight anymore and everyone is saying "told you so." Would you all welcome the naysayers into your "told you so" group if they wanted to cross over? Just curious how that works?!?

 

[Club ORD FO]

Cross bidding was announced by Kenn. Since he is the boss I think his rules would apply.

He told us the exact opposite. I remember hearing it on a phone call. The question was what happens to the old 300s after they get transferred to options and he said the flex pilots would keep flying them as we have the training, experience, blah blah blah.

I don't suppose you have a slide or phone call transcript?

 

[993_Pilot]

Cross bidding was announced by Kenn. Since he is the boss I think his rules would apply.

I forgot how everything that KR says comes true. He has never started rumors that were false, has he?

Once again, keep telling us how you want to come take our seats.

You message is loud and clear.

(This is directed towards chief9404)
Can't you see what you're doing here? Personally I think you will be wrong, but either way you're feeding the troll. Even if you are right, being smug about it certainly isn't helping. Whose side are you on?

He told us the exact opposite. I remember hearing it on a phone call. The question was what happens to the old 300s after they get transferred to options and he said the flex pilots would keep flying them as we have the training, experience, blah blah blah.

I don't suppose you have a slide or phone call transcript?

The sad part is that you're probably both right, and he actually said both things. That is what KR does best. He will continue to play one group against the other for as long as he can.

 

[Club ORD FO]

I know, I know TWA - KR has not changed a thing at Flex.
That's because he can't change a thing.
KR NEEDS you guys HAPPY.
KR is banking on YOU guys to beat the Union
KR wants to bet the Union
He wants single now, and he wants that because a vote has to occur.
He even said it in an AIN article that he feels the Union wouldn't survive with a single carrier representation vote.
.

I think we can all agree with this. So once again, why not just say no to single carrier petition? KR wants it not to save money, but because he thinks the union will get voted out. Which is certainly a possibility.

 

[shanes123]

Back when the union was voted in there was a idiot named B19 on here that spewed ******************** out of his mouth like TWA he claimed that he spoke for the majority just like TWA. Most people on here started to ignore him or block him because just like TWA he was a self serving ***********************************. everyone that's tired of his selfish rhetoric ignore his post and don't reply to anything he has to say or out right block him. Just like B19 his forum of nonsense was taken to a minimum

 

[993_Pilot]

...So once again, why not just say no to single carrier petition? KR wants it not to save money, but because he thinks the union will get voted out. Which is certainly a possibility.

If the IBT says "No" to the Single Carrier petition, KR slowly shuffles all the business to the non-union "Store Fronts", and lets Flops wither away.

If the IBT calls it too soon, the Flex pilots will vote "No" based on this temporary fantasy world where KR lets you keep the crewing ratios, schedules, bonuses, etc. that you currently have. Then, after the union is out, without a CBA to stop him, he can start the changes any way he wants. One of the first will probably be to back the good Ol' Boys Club (a.k.a. Senior Flight Officer Program) and start playing favorites with those willing to push the "grey areas", that he is so fond of.

Q. Why do you think KR is anxious for the single carrier status to happen?
A. He wants to make CHANGES!

I don't care if Flexjet was wildly profitable last year, give him a little time, and KR won't be able to resist making changes, as long as he thinks it will make him even more money. Then you will begin to realize the truth about KR's promises and management style. My best guess is that the petition for Single Carrier Status will be made just after that point in time.

I know you guys (& gals) are worried about losing what you currently have by voting "Yes" for union representation, but that doesn't have to happen. The IBT's forum for the Flexjet pilots seems like a good idea to me. Come as a skeptic or come with an open mind, it doesn't matter. Just come ask questions of the IBT leadership, or the Flops pilots, or of each other, without fear of retribution, heckling or coercion from management stooges (You have Yammer for that). It is past time to get a genuine open dialog started and try to get it all figured out.

... or we can all posture and fret here on FI, get nowhere, and learn the hard way.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Back when the union was voted in there was a idiot named B19 on here that spewed ******************** out of his mouth like TWA he claimed that he spoke for the majority just like TWA. Most people on here started to ignore him or block him because just like TWA he was a self serving ***********************************. everyone that's tired of his selfish rhetoric ignore his post and don't reply to anything he has to say or out right block him. Just like B19 his forum of nonsense was taken to a minimum

Translation - don't listen to him. I don't like what he is saying.

Sorry you don't like opposing views.

You are entitled to your views, why is it not the same for me?

 

[DirtyBeech]

Translation - don't listen to him. I don't like what he is saying.

Sorry you don't like opposing views.

You are entitled to your views, why is it not the same for me?

You wouldn't continue to engage this person face to face. Why do it online? It doesn't further the conversation. Don't feed the trolls.

 

[wingsnthings]

Back when the union was voted in there was a idiot named B19 on here that spewed ******************** out of his mouth like TWA he claimed that he spoke for the majority just like TWA. Most people on here started to ignore him or block him because just like TWA he was a self serving ***********************************. everyone that's tired of his selfish rhetoric ignore his post and don't reply to anything he has to say or out right block him. Just like B19 his forum of nonsense was taken to a minimum

Wow! Don't kid yourself, TWA speaks for a large group of pilots at FJ. Asking people to block him is not only wrong, but very immature. I am embarrassed for you.

 

[slowtation capt]

I forgot how everything that KR says comes true. He has never started rumors that were false, has he?

Just one example

While flying KR, KR comes up to the cockpit;

KR: "Here any good rumors lately"
US: "Ofcourse"
KR: "They were probably started by me, hahahaha"
short time later after talking about this and that
KR: "Gulfstream is taking a 650 body and putting it on a 450 wing, we are going to be the launch customer"

Wonder when this crazy cross gene's airplane is going into flight testing.

 

[jonjuan]

Just one example

While flying KR, KR comes up to the cockpit;

KR: "Here any good rumors lately"
US: "Ofcourse"
KR: "They were probably started by me, hahahaha"
short time later after talking about this and that
KR: "Gulfstream is taking a 650 body and putting it on a 450 wing, we are going to be the launch customer"

Wonder when this crazy cross gene's airplane is going into flight testing.

EIS in 2016.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ainalerts/2014-04-24/general-dynamics-soars-wings-gulfstream

 

[dime line]

Wow! Don't kid yourself, TWA speaks for a large group of pilots at FJ. Asking people to block him is not only wrong, but very immature. I am embarrassed for you.

Problem here is the people he speaks for only hear one side of the story, tells me a lot about a person who short sighted to only hear one side. This statement isn't a union thing but a life thing.

 

[DirtyBeech]

You wouldn't continue to engage this person face to face. Why do it online? It doesn't further the conversation. Don't feed the trolls.

TWA,

For clarity sake, I was telling you not to engage the troll. Reread that and thought it could be misinterpreted.

 

[wingsnthings]

Problem here is the people he speaks for only hear one side of the story, tells me a lot about a person who short sighted to only hear one side. This statement isn't a union thing but a life thing.

C'mon.... Y'all only speak one side as well. The vote will be for or against the union. The same could be said for the guys and gals that are for the IBT and won't budge. A lot of people for or against and some on the fence at both "storefronts". It is hypocritical for someone to say TWA won't listen to you and then turn around and not listen to his points. Not trying to stir the pot, just pointing it out.