FlexJet / Flight Options / SkyJet

[Club ORD FO]

Actually the negotiating committee is pilots so... the teamsters themselves would not have been involved much, just provided lawyers and support. But the pilots were at the negating table. Probably part of the reason the contract turned out the way it did. Company lawyers vs pilots. hmmm... Correct me if I'm wrong of course, but that's my understanding of how it works

 

[The Architect]

Committee Members.

Well to be blunt I don't think you guys have a very good contract now. I have my doubts about your negotiating committee being able to move your paycales up to at least what we have now.

And yeah I get that a contract gets you representation and scope and all that, but so far at flex we upgrade by seniority, we lay off by seniority, and I can't think of anyone who was fired who didn't deserve it. In fact I can think of multiple people who I thought were given more chances than they deserve. And they certainly were not in the good ol' boys club. So there is not a huge need for those types of protections. Not enough to warrant the risk of losing pay and benefits.

That would be the Flexjet and Flight Options Pilot groups MERGED negotiating committee. A new CBA would be negotiated with members from the Flexjet and Flight Options pre-merger pilot groups. A new CBA covering the merged represented pilots would be negotiated. Not a modification to the Flight Options existing CBA.

As a matter of fact, Flexjet pilots may not have to wait until then to be a member of a committee. Additional individuals may have interest in joining the FJOC.

 

[The Architect]

Correction

Actually the negotiating committee is pilots so... the teamsters themselves would not have been involved much, just provided lawyers and support. But the pilots were at the negating table. Probably part of the reason the contract turned out the way it did. Company lawyers vs pilots. hmmm... Correct me if I'm wrong of course, but that's my understanding of how it works

The Flight Options CBA negotiations consisted of company representatives and union representative. Company representatives were senior management, attorneys and senior executives. Union representative were pilots, advisors and attorneys. Those pilots...they were the representatives of the "union." Pilots are the Union. And once a tentative agreement was reached, EVERY pilot (active and furloughed) voted on it. Once ratified, it became the CBA.

 

[slowtation capt]

BTW, you VP of the union (not sure he correct title) just accosted one if our 300 FOs. Told him the list was done and it is DOH. All the junior FJ folks are getting furloughed so the FO pilots can take their jobs.

I guess they need another month to work on this list, because that's what the company delayed the meetings in CGF for.

Wonder what kind of rush they are in that another month will help them with

 

[dime line]

Well to be blunt I don't think you guys have a very good contract now. I have my doubts about your negotiating committee being able to move your paycales up to at least what we have now.

And yeah I get that a contract gets you representation and scope and all that, but so far at flex we upgrade by seniority, we lay off by seniority, and I can't think of anyone who was fired who didn't deserve it. In fact I can think of multiple people who I thought were given more chances than they deserve. And they certainly were not in the good ol' boys club. So there is not a huge need for those types of protections. Not enough to warrant the risk of losing pay and benefits.

I guess you don't remember a few years back when FLEX fired a bunch out of seniority. It happened. And your comment about "deserving to be fired", somebody might deserve to be fired as long as its not you. FLOPS fired 70 and FLEX fired a few a while back

 

[el raton]

I guess you don't remember a few years back when FLEX fired a bunch out of seniority. It happened. And your comment about "deserving to be fired", somebody might deserve to be fired as long as its not you. FLOPS fired 70 and FLEX fired a few a while back

"A few years back"?? What are you talking about dime line? The only time flex "fired" out of seniority was just after 9-11.

You're not helping your case for the teamsters with this kind of bs dime line.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Why did they "fire " pilots ? That's right. No reason needed when you are at will.

 

[dime line]

"A few years back"?? What are you talking about dime line? The only time flex "fired" out of seniority was just after 9-11.

You're not helping your case for the teamsters with this kind of bs dime line.

You just made my point, it was out of seniority, what if you were one of the pilots out of seniority who was fired. So please what kind of BS are you talking about?

 

[el raton]

You just made my point, it was out of seniority, what if you were one of the pilots out of seniority who was fired. So please what kind of BS are you talking about?

That was 13 years ago. Since then all furloughs have been in order of seniority.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Now who is making those decisions?

 

[dime line]

That was 13 years ago. Since then all furloughs have been in order of seniority.

So again tell that statement to one of the furlough guys of 13 years ago. And I guess being that it was 13 years ago that makes it alright hu?

 

[V1 Rotate]

So again tell that statement to one of the furlough guys of 13 years ago. And I guess being that it was 13 years ago that makes it alright hu?

It doesn't make it allright but the fact that it has been done correctly in inverse seniority the past three times and the fact that you conveniently left that part out of your original post and then insinuated that this happened recently, perhaps under the current management, falls in the category of spreading propaganda.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Furlough? Do you have recall rights at Flex?

 

[warlord19]

Dime, Et Al, you are not helping your “cause” by posting BS you know nothing about. The one out-of-order firing was made because that pilot got to be buddies with an owner and told the owner he was the greatest pilot at Flex and that he needed to request him whenever he needed to fly. I guess Dispatch had to go thru the motions of doing that for a while…why this pilot wasn’t fired on the spot for doing something that stupid is beyond me, but he was eventually let go after 9-11. That owner left Flex, bought his own plane, and hired Flex’s greatest pilot. I suppose you union goobers would have given him an elevated position on your MEC, but you can’t run a business very long with that kind of idiocy.
WL

 

[gret]

Dime, Et Al, you are not helping your ?cause? by posting BS you know nothing about. The one out-of-order firing was made because that pilot got to be buddies with an owner and told the owner he was the greatest pilot at Flex and that he needed to request him whenever he needed to fly. I guess Dispatch had to go thru the motions of doing that for a while?why this pilot wasn?t fired on the spot for doing something that stupid is beyond me, but he was eventually let go after 9-11. That owner left Flex, bought his own plane, and hired Flex?s greatest pilot. I suppose you union goobers would have given him an elevated position on your MEC, but you can?t run a business very long with that kind of idiocy.
WL

...and that's the rest of the story...

Good post and thanks for the info.