FlexJet / Flight Options / SkyJet

[el raton]

Now I know my vote will be 'no' when that time comes.

 

[The Architect]

Decision's Made

Now I know my vote will be 'no' when that time comes.

Why would anyone that has the opportunity to decide on the conditions of their work rules make a definite decision so early?

The terms of fences haven't been negotiated yet.
The pilot seniority list integration hasn't been negotiated yet.
The application to the NMB for a single carrier determination hasn't been filed yet.
The company's final departmental and aircraft realignment haven't been determined.

Yet, some individuals have already decided on their "vote" prior to seeing everything that will be on the table.

Does that make sense?

 

[Club ORD FO]

Yes some people are anti union based on principle alone. But I do find it odd that no pro union flex pilots are on here banging the drums and saying "finally now is our chance!" It just seems like nobody is excited about the idea. I know some pilots who have been pro union in the past but they are just not pro union when it comes to options and the 1108. I literally don't know of one person who has said they are looking forward to voting yes. I think it has been implied that if we vote no and the union is pushed out, we can somewhat remain separate. That option is much more appealing. Either way it turns out is a risk for us. Your 100+ on furlough is obviously an issue, we don't want our guys to lose jobs. We have no idea what the options MEC has in mind for that.

 

[jetwash]

I think it has been implied that if we vote no and the union is pushed out, we can somewhat remain separate. That option is much more appealing. .

Can you expand on this statement .
Where has this been coming from ? Flex/ Flight Options management? Yammer?

You do realize that it was not the Flight Options pilots who are pushing for this integration and that is Kenn himself that wants it. The union is only negotiating how the process will be handled to protect the interests of the Flight options pilots. It was Kenn's decision and the union is reacting to it. We have no say in the business decision.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Yes Club, you are right about there not being any Flex pilots talking about the union because they live in an environment of intimidation.

 

[V1 Rotate]

Yes Club, you are right about there not being any Flex pilots talking about the union because they live in an environment of intimidation.

Spare us all the drama. No one here is being intimidated. If anything, the intimidation comes from the 1108 pushers.

 

[el raton]

Yes Club, you are right about there not being any Flex pilots talking about the union because they live in an environment of intimidation.

"Intimidation"? Would you please give us an example of what forms of intimidation we're experiencing at flex?

 

[Seahawk]

Yes Club, you are right about there not being any Flex pilots talking about the union because they live in an environment of intimidation.

You are absolutely a nut case and need treatment! Delusional schizophrenic or whatever you are? Flexjet has been brought down to near catastrophic conditions many times and we have come out of it. Why? the crews were united and Bombardier listened. We could of brought the house down many times, but we worked it out. Yeah, it was brutal at times, but changes were made and we did it without a union. What does that say?
You have the opportunity to make your store front the greatest in the industry. I understand the negative work culture you lived under and that will go away. Give the new leadership a chance. If the house of cards are threatened to come down again, we can work it out together.

Look, I will tell you this, Ricci doesn't run Flexjet, get a handle on that. We can bring the house down pretty quickly if things go the other way. We have been down that road many times. DW and JW are your best friends. Too bad you cant talk to em.
There is no intimidation. It's your call.
Until then it"s business as usual.

 

[jetwash]

Look, I will tell you this, Ricci doesn't run Flexjet, get a handle on that..

:laugh:
:beer:

That will become a classic one day

:laugh:

Thank you :laugh:

 

[gret]

Why would anyone that has the opportunity to decide on the conditions of their work rules make a definite decision so early?

The terms of fences haven't been negotiated yet.
The pilot seniority list integration hasn't been negotiated yet.
The application to the NMB for a single carrier determination hasn't been filed yet.
The company's final departmental and aircraft realignment haven't been determined.

Yet, some individuals have already decided on their "vote" prior to seeing everything that will be on the table.

Does that make sense?

Geez...it seems all the pro union people already have decided...and trying to get everyone else to agree with them...

 

[el raton]

Why would anyone that has the opportunity to decide on the conditions of their work rules make a definite decision so early?

The terms of fences haven't been negotiated yet.
The pilot seniority list integration hasn't been negotiated yet.
The application to the NMB for a single carrier determination hasn't been filed yet.
The company's final departmental and aircraft realignment haven't been determined.

Yet, some individuals have already decided on their "vote" prior to seeing everything that will be on the table.

Does that make sense?

If you want our support, sell us on something else besides 'fear'. You're asking me to turn on a company that's been good to me for 12+ years. After the sale most of our management is still intact. While I can't stand the DO, he's a known quantity and doesn't warrant a union drive.

You're also asking us to join you....but I'm sorry, flight options is known as the ********************hole of the fractional industry which you and your management are responsible for that reputation.

You guys have to let this play out. You keep your teamsters and we'll stay as is. Pray that it never comes to a vote. The teamsters will be booted out, and you'll be forced to accept out pathetic pay and qol.

 

[jetwash]

. Give the new leadership a chance. l.

Yes the Flight Options pilots should give the :laugh: new leadership :laugh: a chance.

I think we should listen to this Flex pilot he seems to be well informed.

 

[dime line]

Yes the Flight Options pilots should give the :laugh: new leadership :laugh: a chance.

I think we should listen to this Flex pilot he seems to be well informed.

That is exactly what I was thinking........New Leadership... that's funny right there

 

[wingsnthings]

Why is that funny? You DO have new leadership. Leadership that has led Flex to be the premiere fractional. I know what the response will be, but the facts are that DW and JW are the ones steering both ships.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Can you expand on this statement .
Where has this been coming from ? Flex/ Flight Options management? Yammer?

You do realize that it was not the Flight Options pilots who are pushing for this integration and that is Kenn himself that wants it. The union is only negotiating how the process will be handled to protect the interests of the Flight options pilots. It was Kenn's decision and the union is reacting to it. We have no say in the business decision.

Well I guess I can't expand on that too much. Certainly nobody has for sure we will stay 100% separate, but on the other hand nobody has told us it would be a full merger. Our management has just said that they would "like" to stay separate. Do our own hiring, that sort of thing.

If only the union can force a single carrier ruling, why do it? What's the benefit to the options union and pilots?