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Flexjet Big Day...jan 15th

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haulingthemail said:
I've never understood why it is, when one company doesn't have a UNION, that that is what we need. Is it because misery loves company? Everyone has an opinion, but don't keep trying to force your lifestyle onto others that wish not to be part of that lifestlye.
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I've never been a part of a unionized company, but I have been a part of one that has a CAB, and am far less than impressed. I'm sure Mr. MClain just wants to make sure that while our coming pay bump might help, that we not lose the fact that our true QOL issues won't be resolved without a contract and all that goes with it. If you work at Flex then you've probably just about come to that conclusion by now.
 
Let's be honest here. Tomorrow, DG will tell us what our raise is and it will be heavily increased on the bottom end. Why? Because those are the people that are going to leave if they dont. If you're an F/O at Flexjet in your 2nd year, you're making around $44k a year. Why would you stay at Flexjet and make that when you can go to Netjets and make $20k more a year and not pay for benefits? Not to mention the better work rules. DG just doesn't get it now and he never will. It's not all about money either and that is something that he has failed miserably at. Mock my words: tomorrow will be MORE OF THE SAME
 
I hear that he's invited the IBT to simulcast the meeting live on the Internet, and that Don Imus will be there to interview him afterwards.
 
haulingthemail said:
I've never understood why it is, when one company doesn't have a UNION, that that is what we need. Is it because misery loves company? Everyone has an opinion, but don't keep trying to force your lifestyle onto others that wish not to be part of that lifestlye.
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First of all, you probably don't work for Flexjet or your a first year CL300 f/0, which is most certainly a step up from your previous position. Otherwise your comments would not be lacking the basic understanding of what things have been like in the past and are currently here. Flexjet is a great place to work but it can and needs to be better. A contract is the first step in that direction.

I also was not aware that working for a company with representation and a contract is a lifestyle, thanks for that insight.

Finally, forcing that lifestyle with 4 posts? Gimme a break! Trust me dude, if I was trying to force something on you, you would feel it.


Keep on HAULINTHEMAIL.
 
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We sit around like dogs waiting to see what scraps are thrown our way. It will be more of the same. They will throw some money at us, probably less than they should. They will not make changes to rest and duty rules, gateways, insurance or anything else we have all asked for. I am sure they will say the CAB is going to work on everything not addressed after the meeting. The CAB has done nothing. There is alot of cheerleading going on from some CAB members, but ask them what they have accomplished over the past 5 years. It is time we stop begging for change and take control and make the change.
 
The CAB has been asked what they accomplished in the last year on th BB. With some contention they threw out first day work rules and a new gateway. The first is true. The second is highly debatable.

I'm not going to get into it, but I put little stock in what non-elected employees with no authority to negotiate can do with a management group that is happy to give them a few scraps each year.
 
DirtyBeech said:
The CAB has been asked what they accomplished in the last year on th BB. With some contention they threw out first day work rules and a new gateway. The first is true. The second is highly debatable.

I'm not going to get into it, but I put little stock in what non-elected employees with no authority to negotiate can do with a management group that is happy to give them a few scraps each year.
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How can removing the only West Coast domicile be viewed as an improvement by anyone? Denver is great for some but by removing ONT you exclude a huge group of pilots who might want to live on the West Coast. Let's hope you also see some domicile improvement because Netjets looks far more appealing to the types of pilots Flexjet wants to attract...

Good luck!!!
 
jackpilot said:
2.5 hrs to go....
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I dont even work for flex and I'm very anxious. I hope you guys get something amazing. Good luck
The entire industry can only benefit from another frac raising the bar.
 
Raising the bar is highly overrated. You are in a business with only 4 players, one which is dominant and has its own unique business, 2 which are really manufacturer owned and serve their marketing objectives, one which has totally abandoned their original used aircraft model in desparate search for something that might work. That leaves out the Avantair group which marches to their own drum. Netjets is going to set the bar and the others will do their best to be near them, however, are mostly too far from the logistical plateau to make the work rules identical. In the end, Netjets will drive all others, no raising the bar, just trying not to get hung to it.
 
It won't be out for a few hours I'm sure. The meeting didn't even start until 2pm central so, a few hours after that and it will hit the airways.
 

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