Flex or Net Jets

[hammer2]

Which would be better to work for?

 

[buttercup]

Which would be better to work for?

Neither, they both suc*.. If you must go fractional go Citation SHares. The CEO is a classy guy and he sets the tone from the top down.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Which would be better to work for?

Here we go again...

 

[On Your Six]

Go to Flex if they offer the CL300. That airplane kicks a$$.......................

 

[Semore Butts]

Go to CS

I agree with the dude above.

Go to Citation shares.

I was at Flex 4 years, then went to Netjets.

Been there 4 years as well and am starting to look for a new job.

I also agree with the other poster, "Here we go".

 

[cosmotheassman]

Just out of curiosity, why would you be at Flex for 4 years and then go to Netjets?

 

[vixin]

Semore,

You started at Flex 8 years ago, 1997. Were'nt you hired at Flex maybe late 1999 early 2000? If you were hired in 97' you left Flex as a Cap. Not to many guys would leave here as a Cap to go to NJA. You would have been a 604 captain if you were hired 8 years ago. Something tells me your numbers dont add up. Or it just feels like 8 years and I can feel that pain.

 

[Semore Butts]

Yep, you are correct!

Vixen, now that you mention it, I was getting close to starting my 4rth year and I just started my 4rth year, So it was really about 6 years. Sorry, it wasn't an intent to mislead.

I left Flex because I wasn't sure which way they were gonna go, and they couldn't give me any idea when I was gonna upgrade. (When I hired in I was told 6 to 8 months)

Funny thing is when I got to Netjets I was told upgrade was about 6 to 8 months, and that the contract was almost done and the pay was gonna get good.

I do like Netjets better, the fleet, and the schedule. I also came here because I thought it would be more stable. As everybody learns eventually in civil aviation, there are no garruntees.


The line pilots at both companies are great. The flying is cool and it actually appeals to me more then the airlines. (That lifestyle has sure changed over my civilian career).

Good luck to everyone

 

[Fins Up]

So what is the current upgrade time at FlexJet? The airlinepilotpay.com says the most junior pilot hired was August 2005. How can it be that fast? Was that a street Captain? Why does it say "Ultra" in parentheses?

Vixen, now that you mention it, I was getting close to starting my 4rth year and I just started my 4rth year, So it was really about 6 years. Sorry, it wasn't an intent to mislead.

I left Flex because I wasn't sure which way they were gonna go, and they couldn't give me any idea when I was gonna upgrade. (When I hired in I was told 6 to 8 months)

Funny thing is when I got to Netjets I was told upgrade was about 6 to 8 months, and that the contract was almost done and the pay was gonna get good.

I do like Netjets better, the fleet, and the schedule. I also came here because I thought it would be more stable. As everybody learns eventually in civil aviation, there are no garruntees.


The line pilots at both companies are great. The flying is cool and it actually appeals to me more then the airlines. (That lifestyle has sure changed over my civilian career).

Good luck to everyone

 

[CL604DRVR]

So what is the current upgrade time at FlexJet? The airlinepilotpay.com says the most junior pilot hired was August 2005. How can it be that fast? Was that a street Captain? Why does it say "Ultra" in parentheses?

I don't know where airlinepilotpay.com is getting their info, but here are the facts as I know them:

1. As late as the middle part of 2005 we had some 5+ year FO's at Flex.

2. There have been upgrades lately and the most senior FO is about 4 years 5 months

3. The most junior pilot is probably Aug 2005 and is in training.

4. I am not aware of any street Captains except when the company was started

5. I have no idea what the ultra reference is unless it is ultra-slow upgrades


Flex is not a bad place to work, but upgrades aren't happening fast.

 

[Fins Up]

Wow! That changes things a little. Thanks for the info.

 

[flexlrpilot357]

I have a feeling that by early 2006 we'll have Captains with mid-2002 hire dates.

 

[Doug Parker]

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What ever happened to the guy known as Scrotum-Boy? I overheard a Flex crew talking about this person a while back......what's the story?






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[FalconPilot69]

What is the reason behind Flex's hiring blitz? Are they losing guys to JB, SWA and Air Tran, or are they thinking that they will be getting owners from Netjets?

 

[rajflyboy]

yeah

Go to CS and enjoy going to Sim Recurrent on your off days. Nothing like being gone 21 days or so in a row twice a year.

 

[miles otoole]

What is the reason behind Flex's hiring blitz? Are they losing guys to JB, SWA and Air Tran, or are they thinking that they will be getting owners from Netjets?

1) not too many
2) thinking?

hmmmmmmmm.......

 

[cosmotheassman]

Flex is getting 52 airplanes over the next couple of years. What the "net" gain is, I have no idea. Maybe someone else on here can give that number. I heard we are getting 13 300's next year though. Anyone else got different numbers???

It doesn't hurt us that there's all that crying going on at netjets either...

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

The Captain I flew with 2 rotations ago had the long recurrent in Aug. R H came in and said the 52 planes are all growth. We may get more, depending if we can get more 300's from the factory. Also said that all '02 hires will upgrade by Spring '06. He was estimating we might have 500 pilots by the end of '07. Of course, everthing is subject to change.

I wonder if that 52 planes includes the reported doubling of the 604 fleet.

 

[luckydog]

According to the last (already out of date) seniority list, including the 9 2002 hires left, that would be 42 upgrades. There are probably some CH 300 seatlocks in that list but, that would be a massive training effort during our busy months.

I hope it's true, but like you said... things change.

 

[N1atEcon]

Neither... Go find a good Gulfstream operator. Get a job that fly's 400 hrs a year, pays 70 to 90 for an fo and 140 plus for the Cpt and stay there forever. Everyone thought fractionals were the bomb in the 90's. They are not. Net Jets Union has no teeth due to the archaic RLA. The old way was way better. Pilot "Hey boss i need to talk to you about a raise." Boss "Whats on your mind." Pilot "I need about a 5 % increase per year." Boss "Sorry cant do it" Pilot "ok here is my two weeks notice." Boss "Hold on a minute, your a great guy i dont want to loose you. How about 4% and another week off in the summer to take your kids to the company beach house." Pilot "Deal!"