Flex Jet read file

[dime line]

Schedule is king for me too fugazi.

They cant change our schedule, its in writing!

 

[luckydog]

They cant change our schedule, its in writing!

Oddly enough, the schedule we don't want and will wind up with, is the one you have in writing.

 

[GooseHZ]

We have 3 in writing.

 

[shanes123]

get some flex guys on the negotiating committee and don't settle for anything less then what you deserve..company don't like it then strike and see how they like parking 200 airplanes..hopefully theres more solidarity in Flex then there is FLOPS..We will see!!

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

get some flex guys on the negotiating committee and don't settle for anything less then what you deserve........hopefully theres more solidarity in Flex then there is FLOPS..We will see!!

There already is more solidarity here. We have kept your union off our property every time someone tries to have it show up and ruin a great company.

Flexjet is not perfect, but 1108 has a pretty solid track record of making things worse, not better. If 1108 is so great, why did NJ dump you.

For my fellow Flexjet crews, please don't let a few angry pilots at FO convince you to be afraid of KR. Imagine if a few of the VERY outspoken pilots we have on Yammer were to come on here and sell their view of life at FJ. How accurate do you think their slanted and always negative/pessimistic views would be.

This is what you are getting from these FO union stompers. Next time you are on the road, talk to a few FO crews. Ask them what they think of KR.

So far 90+% of the crews I have talked to say life was great under his team. Things only got worse after he left. If you run into a FO pilot that is spewing all kinds of hatred ask him if he is in the union or not. They won't tell you this, but they have quite a few people that are not part of 1108.

So far I have only had one crew that couldn't wait to tell me how bad it was/is. We barely got the door open and they met us at the plane. 20 minutes into their tirade I had to walk away. Everything they said that was bad was really just a part of their union negotiated contract that sucked.

Remember, we singed a contract when the purchase went through. It guaranteed a lot of things. Most of them were things we already had. Some people are saying this s only valid for 1 year. I read mine again yesterday several times. No where does it say it is only valid for 1 year. In fact there are several sections that we have to vote on as a group before it can be changed.

Sounds like we got the best of both worlds. A say in our working conditions without having to put up with a union. Sounds like a win/win.

 

[Fresh Air]

Good to see some new people expressing their opinions here.

As you are watching the webcast today, bear in mind that behind those gleaming white teeth is 25 feet of shark.

Kenn's not the Satan that MS was, but he's a shrewd businessman, and since his return he has been quite successful in squeezing every penny out of the Options pilot group. Except for the unlimited meal plan of course. Doesn't actually make up for the $2000 per month salary deficit and missing 401K match though.

 

[shanes123]

That meal plan made him money. He gave the meal and yanked the 401k match long before flops had a contract. He couldn't do that today. Try eating the same dollar worth of food that you made on that 401k match. You would look like a couple of the in house union pushers that are trying to do it.. The 401k match paid for that meal plan with plenty cash left over to put gas in riccis gulfstream. Wait til you start being told how to fuel the plane and fly it at long range cruise all the time.. Wait till you start with your in plane check rides and having to spend a week or more with a KR ass kissing check airman that wants to show you who's the boss. The fun stuff hasn't even began yet.

 

[hammer2]

Good to see some new people expressing their opinions here.

As you are watching the webcast today, bear in mind that behind those gleaming white teeth is 25 feet of shark.

Kenn's not the Satan that MS was, but he's a shrewd businessman, and since his return he has been quite successful in squeezing every penny out of the Options pilot group. Except for the unlimited meal plan of course. Doesn't actually make up for the $2000 per month salary deficit and missing 401K match though.

But that's the compensation you voted for. Why do you blame him? I would be more inclined to blame those who negotiated on your behalf, and give KR his kudos for making them look like amateurs.

 

[DirtyBeech]

That "agreement" that was signed is worth about as much a sheet of single ply, Russia toilet paper. Question after question was asked for clarification on numerous points, and the best answer that the head shed could come up with is " Well, the intent was....". It's sad to see that some kool aid drinkers are going to be blind sided despite the ample warnings given to us.

As for the Flops crews we encounter on the road. The worst I have heard about the union is "necessary evil" and not a single one of them trusts Ricci or their management team.

 

[Fresh Air]

But that's the compensation you voted for. Why do you blame him? I would be more inclined to blame those who negotiated on your behalf, and give KR his kudos for making them look like amateurs.

Not blaming Kenn. He had every advantage over our union negotiators, and used it to full advantage like the shrewd businessman that he is.

My point is to offer a rebuttal to those who have posted that Kenn is a generous leader and everything will be puppies & rainbows at Floptions (the combo of Flex and Options) if only we do away with all of our protections and trust him to care for our every need.

If Kenn were truly on the side of the pilots he would have instructed his negotiators to agree to a fair wage and a reinstatement of our 401K match in our CBA, which the union negotiating team was trying very very hard to achieve.

Instead the company negotiators took the hard line and refused to budge on anything meaningful. With the economy in its worst state since the 1930s, and the NLRB mediator having told the union that a strike would not be allowed, the company had us over a barrel and they knew it. While Kenn was only slightly involved in the actual negotiations, he certainly knew of and approved what was going on.

We voted to approve the CBA because under the circumstances it was the best we could get, and better than nothing in the view of the majority of our pilot group.

 

[dime line]

But that's the compensation you voted for. Why do you blame him? I would be more inclined to blame those who negotiated on your behalf, and give KR his kudos for making them look like amateurs.

Yes, but you forget the "state of the world" at the time we signed and the company was teetering on closing its doors. I for one don't like the contract, but I happily voted yes for it. My yes vote was defined by, you have to start somewhere, and Ill give the company 5 years to figure things out.
This next contract I will be voting no for anything less than industry standard. And if its a 5yr contract it better be great.

And we didn't vote no 401k match either, that was handed to us by Ricci.

 

[chainring]

There already is more solidarity here. We have kept your union off our property every time someone tries to have it show up and ruin a great company.

Flexjet is not perfect, but 1108 has a pretty solid track record of making things worse, not better. If 1108 is so great, why did NJ dump you.

For my fellow Flexjet crews, please don't let a few angry pilots at FO convince you to be afraid of KR. Imagine if a few of the VERY outspoken pilots we have on Yammer were to come on here and sell their view of life at FJ. How accurate do you think their slanted and always negative/pessimistic views would be.

This is what you are getting from these FO union stompers. Next time you are on the road, talk to a few FO crews. Ask them what they think of KR.

So far 90+% of the crews I have talked to say life was great under his team. Things only got worse after he left. If you run into a FO pilot that is spewing all kinds of hatred ask him if he is in the union or not. They won't tell you this, but they have quite a few people that are not part of 1108.

So far I have only had one crew that couldn't wait to tell me how bad it was/is. We barely got the door open and they met us at the plane. 20 minutes into their tirade I had to walk away. Everything they said that was bad was really just a part of their union negotiated contract that sucked.

Remember, we singed a contract when the purchase went through. It guaranteed a lot of things. Most of them were things we already had. Some people are saying this s only valid for 1 year. I read mine again yesterday several times. No where does it say it is only valid for 1 year. In fact there are several sections that we have to vote on as a group before it can be changed.

Sounds like we got the best of both worlds. A say in our working conditions without having to put up with a union. Sounds like a win/win.

Oh my god are you in for a rude awakening. Go ahead a vote away work rules and protections and I'm gonna be the first one to say bite me when a Flex pilot starts whining about how bad it's gotten over the last couple years since Kenn took over. Wow and guess what we now don't have a contract in place to work with, renogiate or anything else for that matter. Yeah your right. Kenn is going to take care of everyone and not make any changes to schedules, duty day work rules , pay if we dump the contract. I've just worked for him. Have you?

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

TWA 2 ASA FO – Prior to Flex, you flew the Mad Dog at TWA, then the RJ at ASA?? If so, Icahn & American gave you a raw deal.

Been called a lot of names, but never a “union stomper”. I can live with it. BTW – union stomper abbreviated is… “us”… (Jus’ sayin’…)

“We have kept your union off our property every time someone tries to have it show up and ruin a great company.”

Like it or not, the Flexjet you’re talking about is gone. Since Uncle/DAC jumped into the sandbox, the Flexjet you speak of is no longer. Because it wasn’t just the leadership that changed, it was the ownership of the company.

“Flexjet is not perfect, but 1108 has a pretty solid track record of making things worse, not better.”

Ambiguities & perceptions & hearsay aside, can you give us a specific example?

Regarding the “contract” you signed “when the purchase went through” -

What happens if one of the parties elects to change those rules or elects not to operate under what was written? How are the differences reconciled? Who acts on your behalf? Do you have a say on who acts on your behalf? Is the agreement enforceable by law? Did you negotiate any of the terms? Did you have any say in what was presented to you? Or was it: “Here. Sign this.” The IBT1108 contract has 30 sections & is nearly 300 pages long. How detailed is yours? Was your signature an agreement to abide by the terms or simply recognition that you’d read & received a copy of the “contract”? Did anyone from company sign it?

Now, what’s that thingy you signed again?

 

[johnsonrod]

What did KR tell the Flex pilots today? Anything new?

 

[V1 Rotate]

It was probably the same as he told the FLOPs guys since the PowerPoint presentation was dated February 11th.