Flex Jet read file

[V1 Rotate]

Do fractionals have pass privileges for commuting to and from work? (are you able to fly as a stand-by non-revenue passenger on the airlines or ride in the flight deck?)

Not at Flexjet. I think Citation Shares had agreements with a couple of carriers, and maybe NetJets also, but not with any of the majors I don't think? Anyone else?

 

[GooseHZ]

Bluenose.....your wrong. There are limits. But hey let's give KR and his boys no CBA to abide by.....yes that's the ticket.

 

[Club ORD FO]

For what its worth, when the Flex pilots found out were were doing FLOPS charters, a lot of questions and concerns were raised. We were assured that the flights are supplemental lift that would have gone to an outside company if we didn't do them, and that we were not taking flights away from FLOPS that a FLOPS plane and pilots could have done.

 

[GooseHZ]

But...I thought we where two different companies? Please tell me you guys can see how KR is playing this game....please. The Flex guys where doing their jobs as the pro's they are. With out a CBA or stewards to fall back on for support the only thing to do is fly your trips....you have no protection. I know that no FLOPS pilots hold any ill will toward you guys.

 

[BlueNose]

Bluenose.....your wrong. There are limits. But hey let's give KR and his boys no CBA to abide by.....yes that's the ticket.

Well, I haven't been able to find any. I see where it says that brand partner flights count as charter sell off, but no limits on how much sell off there is. If you can find those limits in the contract, please point them out to me, I'd love to be wrong on this one.

As for the 2nd point, you're setting up a false dilemma - either the contract's great or we shouldn't have one. How about (c) the leaders should have thought of that basic point and negotiated it. Instead, it looks like they left KR a loophole big enough to drive a Flexjet through. It may be over and done, but I never heard any of the 1108 leadership even admit their oversight. That might be a start, and they might look less like politicians and more like leaders. Just my $.02

 

[luckydog]

I have to wonder what will be the response if/when a Flexjet sell off is covered by a FLOPS flight?

 

[dime line]

either the contract's great or we shouldn't have one.

Are you serious, really?

 

[Rubber Ducky]

You might think that, but it seems 1108 neglected that small point in negotiating the last contract. There's no limit to charter sell-off, and no ramifications if it exceeds a certain number or percentage (like, say, in the NJ contract that they already had for a template).

Don't want to hijack this thread, so call any furloughed NJ pilot and ask how that contract language has worked out for them.

 

[V1 Rotate]

I have to wonder what will be the response if/when a Flexjet sell off is covered by a FLOPS flight?

We have outside charter companies flying our owners almost every day. A certain percentage is negotiated into most owners' contracts. If that flying can be done under the DAC umbrella by FLOPs guys, then why not? Doesn't hurt my feelings.

 

[CL300Pilot]

I have to wonder what will be the response if/when a Flexjet sell off is covered by a FLOPS flight?

This has already happened Lucky. We had multiple trips covered over the holiday under charter by FLOPS aircraft. At least, that is what we were told and I heard from some line guys.