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First year pay at Continental

mrswede

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How many days off and how much money could you expect first year at Continental? Is there open time to fly?
 

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mrswede said:
How many days off and how much money could you expect first year at Continental? Is there open time to fly?
$29.97/hr at 76 hrs/mo guarantee.

Min of 12 days off per month.

Lots of open time now, but when PBS starts in Jan 06, not.
 

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When does health insurance kick in?


Thanks
 

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Health Insurance kicks in at 6 months. Do yourself a favor, get a job at Burger King which will pay you more. Besides....when you get furloughed you already have a job. Good day to ya.
 

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densoo said:
$29.97/hr at 76 hrs/mo guarantee.

Min of 12 days off per month.

Lots of open time now, but when PBS starts in Jan 06, not.
$27,300/yr. ??? No health insurance for 6 months ??? :eek:

I love how the unions have done such a splendid job of looking out for the junior guys. :rolleyes:
 

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i second that observation. i have always been amazed how crappy the new guys are treated as well. they just bend over and take it-- i did too in 86.
 
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semperfido said:
i second that observation. i have always been amazed how crappy the new guys are treated as well. they just bend over and take it-- i did too in 86.
You could go to work for Wegman's as a grocery stockboy and be better off the first year.. One of the better first year pay rates is where ? JetBlue. Notably a non-union carrier (and yes, I think the EMB-190 rates WILL go up... and no, I don't work there). Point is that after all of the years of collective bargaining at carriers like Continental, Delta, United, and American the first year pay rates at ALL OF THEM are embarrassing. Way to go ALPA/APA !!!

What's even more amazing is that people happily line up out the door for that type of a$$-whipping. :rolleyes:
 

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For those that don't know, Wegmans is a very successful supermarket based out of Rochester, NY, with more then 70 stores throughout the northeast, mostly NY.
 

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Point is that after all of the years of collective bargaining at carriers like Continental, Delta, United, and American the first year pay rates at ALL OF THEM are embarrassing. Way to go ALPA/APA !!!

Delta new hire pay is $56-58 an hour now.... Although, you won't see a new hire for quite some time....

Just an observation-
 

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h25b said:
$27,300/yr. ??? No health insurance for 6 months ??? :eek:

I love how the unions have done such a splendid job of looking out for the junior guys. :rolleyes:
The funny thing is CAL used to be the bottom feeders when it came to pay. Now there is a new concessionary contract that was signed and it's near the middle of the pack. Shows how far things have fallen. How can you go from bottom to middle of the pack without a pay raise? We know the answer it was a rhetorical question.

ALPA came on property a few years back talking about how they would change things and make CAL the highest paid in the industry. I think they talk a big talk, but haven't done sh!t for the pilot group. I think ALPA is a joke.
 

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As a former Allegheny and TWA pilot I can tell you first hand ALPA is not a joke!
They are a friggin nightmare!!!!!!! No rj's at Allegheny and no job at TWA enough said!
 

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Captain Overs said:
The funny thing is CAL used to be the bottom feeders when it came to pay. Now there is a new concessionary contract that was signed and it's near the middle of the pack.
When various compensations are taken into account, not just hourly pay, I think CAL is still well behind just about all their counterparts. No overrides for international, night, overwater, subpar pension recently gutted further, no true long call reserve (crashpad costs, commuting, etc), plus the smaller things like no crew meals on any domestic leg, no uniform allowance, high copays, and a laundry list of other "no" items. Oh, but they do allow flying up to 100 hours in 30 days.
 
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tubelcane said:
No rj's at Allegheny and no job at TWA enough said!
Isn't is more correct to say NO ALLEGHENY? Didn't they get folded into Piedmont and there is no more Allegheny?
 

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densoo said:
When various compensations are taken into account, not just hourly pay, I think CAL is still well behind just about all their counterparts. No overrides for international, night, overwater, subpar pension recently gutted further, no true long call reserve (crashpad costs, commuting, etc), plus the smaller things like no crew meals on any domestic leg, no uniform allowance, high copays, and a laundry list of other "no" items. Oh, but they do allow flying up to 100 hours in 30 days.
Well said.
 

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Launchpad said:
Delta new hire pay is $56-58 an hour now.... Although, you won't see a new hire for quite some time....

Just an observation-
Yep, you're right... Won't be hiring for a long time... I'm just tired of all of the pro-union chest-thumping.

Here I am now, after 9 years of flying for a living and passing 4000 hrs. TT, 2800 Jet, 3400 Turbine, etc... I'm a happily employed corporate pilot, but I was just thinking the other day about what my options would be if I did have any desire to fly for the airlines...

1. JetBlue - Get in line behind everyone else to commute to JFK and start at $50,000. No thanks...
2. Continental - Get in line behind everyone else to make $27,000 (with no insurance to start)... Don't think so...
3. Pick a regional - Start at $19,000 and get on welfare. YGTBSM !!!

So when I listen to the average union goons I have to conclude that they haven't exactly been the best custodians of my profession. Hence, I shall be a corporate pilot forever and determine my own worth. Just food for thought. I guess this thread just got me thinking. Depressing...
 

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You are correct. I was meaning tosay what they did for me at each carrier while I was there. The plight of Allegheny is worse now. Some went to Piedmont others went to the unemployment line. And some went to Midatlantic which was sold to Chitaqua, and they were told they would go to year 1 fo pay. I think they were sold again to republic maybe. Anyway my friend had enough and went to Atlas in mid May.
 

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densoo said:
and a laundry list of other "no" items.
Such as my personal favorite, no company paid parking any longer. But hey it all must be working since CAL posted a 2Q profit for the first time since 9/11.
 

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Launchpad said:
Point is that after all of the years of collective bargaining at carriers like Continental, Delta, United, and American the first year pay rates at ALL OF THEM are embarrassing. Way to go ALPA/APA.
Unions don't represent first year pilots at many airlines, including CAL. Pilots are on probation and can't join the union until hire date plus one year. You have no representation and every captain you fly with must file a probationary pilot report to the chief pilot for each trip for the first year.

On the issue of pay, what is surprising is that the companies pay new hires ANYTHING. They know that they could probably hire pilots for free and pay only their per diem for the first year and they would still get more than enough takers who want the big prize at the end: a major airline job with union representation. And, by and large, it would be worth it. As fraught with human failings as union representation is, it is far better than the alternative: companies that have no shame, unrestricted in how they treat their employees.
 
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