First SLI thread of the day

[bri5150]

Ask your reps for a transcript, and go through it and see what Bloch has to say about DOH. That should answer your question.As for this:What is --- 9E responsible for all of this ---- suppose to mean? Do you mean the SLI? As I remember, it was XJ getting ticked off at 9E for getting our class date as DOH instead of sim date, while XJ/9L got their class date. And now, they've unilaterally changed the listing position of their pilots without anyone else disputing it. XJ is the reason this SLI has stalled as long as it has, not 9E.bri5150,About the furloughees, I understand where you are coming from, and where XJ is coming from. However, you cannot list them as active pilots, based LGA as FOs on the SF340, when these pilots already show as active pilots on the 9E list flying CRJs in DTW and JFK. You cannot have it both ways. Bloch will see through this. The same name is listed twice as active, in two different bases on two different aircraft. Unless we live in the Matrix, it just isn't possible. As for what should be done about furloughees, I don't know what to tell you, except past precedent in arbitration lists has been to put them at the bottom after others. My guess is it would be active pilots, furloughees, then Summer 2010 DOH onwards. Many XJ pilots had their jobs only for a matter of months before being furloughed. Say, 6 months service in 2008 and laid off. Then started at Pinnacle in Summer 2010 and are here today. I would hardly be able to sign on the fact that they are active LGA FOs hired in 2008. It's a sucky situation, and this MOU will be a make-or-break, depending on what kind of precedent it sets.

See through? There is nothing to "see through". Mr. Bloch knows exactly what is going on with these guys and will put them in place where he wants them. It's not like Mesaba is taking the stand that they weren't furloughed on 7/1. They are just saying they aren't furloughed now. How they are listed on our list right now will have no bearing on where they are on the final list if things go as we think they will. If Mr. Bloch doesn't use the "snapshot", then he should have an accurate representation of what their status is, which is recalled and bypassed. They shouldn't be treated any different than the furloughees that decided not to help Pinnacle and just took the recall (which are out of training and active in LGA I think). This MOU thing is uncharted territory, so nobody knows where they should go. You seriously need to get over the semantics of this part because it won't change anything. It's kind of like the lovely grammar argument we've been having.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Ask your reps for a transcript, and go through it and see what Bloch has to say about DOH. That should answer your question.As for this:What is --- 9E responsible for all of this ---- suppose to mean? Do you mean the SLI? As I remember, it was XJ getting ticked off at 9E for getting our class date as DOH instead of sim date, while XJ/9L got their class date. And now, they've unilaterally changed the listing position of their pilots without anyone else disputing it. XJ is the reason this SLI has stalled as long as it has, not 9E.bri5150,About the furloughees, I understand where you are coming from, and where XJ is coming from. However, you cannot list them as active pilots, based LGA as FOs on the SF340, when these pilots already show as active pilots on the 9E list flying CRJs in DTW and JFK. You cannot have it both ways. Bloch will see through this. The same name is listed twice as active, in two different bases on two different aircraft. Unless we live in the Matrix, it just isn't possible. As for what should be done about furloughees, I don't know what to tell you, except past precedent in arbitration lists has been to put them at the bottom after others. My guess is it would be active pilots, furloughees, then Summer 2010 DOH onwards. Many XJ pilots had their jobs only for a matter of months before being furloughed. Say, 6 months service in 2008 and laid off. Then started at Pinnacle in Summer 2010 and are here today. I would hardly be able to sign on the fact that they are active LGA FOs hired in 2008. It's a sucky situation, and this MOU will be a make-or-break, depending on what kind of precedent it sets.

No, I wasn't referring to the SLI as I know many on this thread have - I was more specifically referring to the history that seems to show at best, bungling incompetence in the 9E representation and at worst, an intentional "boys club" approach to how things are done in closed door meetings. If I'm wrong that will be proven out once we're all on the same property. If I'm right - well, that'll be proven too I suppose.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Upon re-reading your post Flyer, I admit that I was unclear in how I worded "all of this"...point taken. But I stand by the last reply that I made regarding bungling and boys' clubs.

 

[xjhawk]

I am lost as to what we are waiting on here. I hear that it is not Bloch's fault and that it is or was the list that 9E was suppose to give but someone was flying????? SO now we wait. Oh and about the 9E guys saying the delay is Mesaba's fault...... not true, if list is suppose to be correct and it is not, Mesaba has the right to challenge it.

 

[bri5150]

I am lost as to what we are waiting on here. I hear that it is not Bloch's fault and that it is or was the list that 9E was suppose to give but someone was flying????? SO now we wait. Oh and about the 9E guys saying the delay is Mesaba's fault...... not true, if list is suppose to be correct and it is not, Mesaba has the right to challenge it.

His award has been "ready" for two weeks now. This is getting a little dumb.

 

[sinkrate]

His award has been "ready" for two weeks now. This is getting a little dumb.

Using a similar process the Arbitrator in the RAH SLI was four months late with his award. What makes you think Bloch will be any faster? Lawyers know no timetables. They generally do things when they are ready to. If there is a deadline imposed they rarely meet it - they use some process to delay it. I'm not saying Bloch won't deliver in a timely fashion, but I'm not going to hold my breath either.

 

[xjhawk]

WHat I am about to write is a joke...........The word is that he wants an updated seniority list from all three unions. He is also waiting on a Delta seniority list as there are some issues with the MEsaba flows. The word is that he is trumping the cancelled flow agreement and allowing only Colgan pilots to flow.........done joking

 

[higney85]

WHat I am about to write is a joke...........The word is that he wants an updated seniority list from all three unions. He is also waiting on a Delta seniority list as there are some issues with the MEsaba flows. The word is that he is trumping the cancelled flow agreement and allowing only Colgan pilots to flow.........done joking

Isn't Corp buying another carrier July 1? I guess we will just wait until all the purchases are done and just do 1 list then. It's more "cost efficient".

*sarcasm*

 

[xjhawk]

yeah my theory it is not SWA buying Sun Country, but Pinnacle Corp is providing the financing for SUn Country to buy all the assets of Pinnacle Corp and then do a stock swap. By doing it this way, it is a staple for the pilots......I am just saying....its so crazy-its got to be true

 

[higney85]

yeah my theory it is not SWA buying Sun Country, but Pinnacle Corp is providing the financing for SUn Country to buy all the assets of Pinnacle Corp and then do a stock swap. By doing it this way, it is a staple for the pilots......I am just saying....its so crazy-its got to be true

I see Corp going after Horizon, then Comair after they shrink (can you imagine that MOU situation?!). OR corp going after air wisconsin with a new airways ASA. Followed by Delta and Alaska finally getting married. Then Southwest swallowing sun country.. and american doing something (maybe JB).

Miss Cleo got nothin on me!

No matter what we will have angry pilots! Pure WINNING!

 

[i fly boxes]

Angry pilots..... That could replace angry birds we could fling crjs at CEOs
I heard Bloch wanted a list of where we all went to school and who we dated while we are there

 

[xjhawk]

yeah the list was to include where you got your degree from. All the major flight school graduates will be a base, always on the bottom, even below future new hires (unless they are common grads of the major flight schools. Next comes the military pilots and then from there the rest of us randomly given a number.

 

[Smarta$$]

When you talk about these guys, are these the NMFC and their minions or just a base culture in general?

Honestly, my opinion is both, but there are exceptions of course.

 

[budd]

“Unity is Our Strength!”​

At the end of all email's.​

ALPA is so fuc%d up!!!​

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[i fly boxes]

So what's mesaba disputing now? I hear that's the hold up.