first flight/ride in icing!!

[rajflyboy]

If you haven't been in icing before... you probably shouldn't be getting paid to flying passengers around. You simply don't have enough experience yet.

 

[minitour]

I'll buy that...but I stand by the idea that someone knowingly flying an un-certified plane into known icing conditions on a consistent basis should not be flying.

But yeah, you're probably right...you probably shouldn't be PIC of an airplane with people in back if you haven't experienced icing...

-mini

 

[Standby 1]

But yeah, you're probably right...you probably shouldn't be PIC of an airplane with people in back if you haven't experienced icing...

-mini

That should read "if you haven't experienced icing in an aircraft that is certified to fly in known icing conditions." You can be a great PIC with people in the back of your C172 without having experienced icing conditions before and no one can tell me otherwise. 90% of being a good PIC is having good judgement and that, for most GA aircraft, means the good judgement of not getting yourself and pax anywhere near icing conditions in a single engine Cessna.

I've experienced plenty of bad icing conditions when I flew freight. Big deal. I don't think it made me that much better of a pilot. Probably the best thing I learned from it was how best to avoid it.

But that's just my opinion and I have never been one to be proud of the stupid situations I got myself into over the years.


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[minitour]

That should read "if you haven't experienced icing in an aircraft that is certified to fly in known icing conditions."..

Exactly!

I was trying to cover all the bases, thanks for picking that one up for me.

-mini

 

[vetteracer]

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Probably the best thing I learned from it was how best to avoid it.


That is everything!!!! If the guys in the ATR had only learned this!

Mark

 

[Standby 1]

Exactly!

I was trying to cover all the bases, thanks for picking that one up for me.

-mini

No need to cover any bases --- clearly you have a good deal of common sense and good judgement when it comes to ice and limitations of aircraft. I'm sure you'll get more than your fair share of icing conditions someday when you're hauling freight in some beat-up old Navajo or schlepping corporate customers around!






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[minitour]

No need to cover any bases --- clearly you have a good deal of common sense and good judgement when it comes to ice and limitations of aircraft. I'm sure you'll get more than your fair share of icing conditions someday when you're hauling freight in some beat-up old Navajo or schlepping corporate customers around!






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Sounds like fun...where do I sign up?

-mini

 

[rajflyboy]

Icing ain't sh*t compared to thunderstorms. Give me a little ice anyday over flying through a TRW.

 

[Flyin Tony]

I flew in some ice for my first time on the 26th. 8,000 in the clear got a block down the 7,000. I was in the clouds for maybe 3 mins and it starts to build up. AINT NO WAY IM MESSIN WITH THAT SHAT. I got out of there asap. When I got to 8,000 its was +3 in the clouds it was -3. When I got out of the clouds the whole wing was frost. Then the ATC guy gives me 6,000 and I went down like a Bonanza full of doctors.

 

[rajflyboy]

heard a story about a Beachjet going into a Thunderstorm at 16000 feet, and forgetting to put the igniters on... was blown out the top at 33,000 feet and then came to find out... both engines had quit.

Message clear: Don't mess with Thunderstorms.

 

[NJA Capt]

I am merely suggesting that pilots be better trained in how to escape ice not fly in it! We train for an engine failure instrument failures, etc so shouldn't we know what to do in ice if ACCIDENTALLY encountered.

Did it not occur to you guys that there was a temp inversion???? +1 on the ground and +6 at 6000 msl???? With +1 at the surface what is the temp "supposed" to be at 6000'???

Pilots DO receive training in icing procedures. It happens when you train in an APPROVED aircraft type. You do not receive training in a UNapproved airplane because some idiot would take it as permission to fly in icing. You will NEVER see this type of training because the insurance companies and FAA would have a fit.

Look back over this thread and what do you see? Pilots flying UNapproved aircraft think it is OK, and the professional (ie....icing trained) pilots are saying it's stupid/illegal. You be the judge.

If any of you guys have an icing related accident/death your insurance will pay your families/survivors $0.00.

For the record, I have seen a jet with "hot" wings build ice faster than the AI system could get rid of it, and it happened within seconds. Last Winter we picked up so much going into PHL that we lost +/-40 knots.....Think the 182RG's extra power would handle that?

 

[minitour]

...Pilots DO receive training in icing procedures. It happens when you train in an APPROVED aircraft type....

oh....okay, then it's all good

but how do you assure everyone gets icing procedure training in an aircraft that doesn't require an additional training/type rating?

Just curious...

-mini

 

[vetteracer]

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but how do you assure everyone gets icing procedure training in an aircraft that doesn't require an additional training/type rating?
Just curious...

That comes from you. Most companies will have a training session on Ice and T-storms and how it relates to their companies policy and how you should handle it. Then from experience and hanger talk with the "old salts" you figure out what to do, and what not to do.

Mark

 

[minitour]

...That comes from you. Most companies will have a training session on Ice and T-storms and how it relates to their companies policy and how you should handle it. Then from experience and hanger talk with the "old salts" you figure out what to do, and what not to do.

Mark

I'm talking more along the lines of someone buying a particular plane...say a Seneca that's K-ice...there's no way to really make sure that person gets proper training is there?

-mini

 

[NJA Capt]

...how do you assure everyone gets icing procedure training in an aircraft that doesn't require an additional training/type rating?
Just curious... mini

Keep in mind the opinions on this thread have been about C172/182RGs that are not approved, as opposed to non-K aircraft that haven't had the training.

When an owner purchases a "new" airplane from the factory they usually provide that owner with training for their new aircraft. Follow on owners miss out on that one. If someone buys a used a/c with K-ice capability, I'm sure their insurance company would be glad to list additional training facilities. Maybe even give you lower rates for attending.