FedEx Training Letter Out!

[FlyPig]

Passover Pay

A question for clarification...getting passover pay as the junior guy activates does not apply if the guy being leap-frogged is still on probation pay right? I think he'll keep making $49.86/hr until off probation. Can anybody confirm or refute this for me?

 

[mule]

I'm sitting in the terminal, very bored, so I'll try to answer two recent questions.

From what I remember from the mass email about this is:

They won't hire guys who are actively flying for a "hurting" major. ie, FedEX won't interview guys who are active United, AMR, DAL, UsAir, and NWA. (but they will and often do hire furloughed pilots from these carriers)

Hope the info helps

I know a guy that is actively flying the line at UAL that recently interviewed at FDX...not sure if he got hired.

 

[propjob27]

I know a guy that is actively flying the line at UAL that recently interviewed at FDX...not sure if he got hired.

In that case, maybe they finally lifted that 'policy' I was talking about. He certianly had a fair shot if he got an interview (unlike some other airlines that have a 25% hire rate). FedEX really wants to hire every single guy/gal they invite in for the interview; they're really good about that. Hope he got it.

 

[JethroF15]

A question for clarification...getting passover pay as the junior guy activates does not apply if the guy being leap-frogged is still on probation pay right? I think he'll keep making $49.86/hr until off probation. Can anybody confirm or refute this for me?

First year pay is still first year pay. No passover.

 

[JethroF15]

I definitely had some whine the other day when I saw the training letter. Being displaced by another 4 mos, which in the grand scheme of things is nothing, but it does cost me about 25k in salary. I'd like to meet somebody that loses 25k and is happy about it.

And while the whine is flowing:
Show up for a 1 day, gets extended to a 4 day (with no telephone call), tooling around in 200 and 1/2 in a 1966 -100 with an 10 degree continuously oscillating capt ADI and an intermittent gyro and steer flag on the co-pilot ADI. Head to hotel, only to have a cackling crackwhore and her boy toy Rico getting it on in the room above me while I'm trying to sleep wearing the same underwear I've had on for 3 days.

Just having a bad karma week, but the 20-25k chaps my a$$.

"Displaced", as I understand it, means that you are involuntarily moved from a seat you already are flying in to another seat. Hardly what you describe as "displaced". Also, if anyone junior to you is trained in the seat you are waiting for then you will receive passover pay and the 25K (as you claim) will still be coming your way. If guys senior to you are being trained in front of your original training date thus pushing back your date... welcome to the world of seniority! Does it suck? Maybe when you look at through a very narrow point of view. Does it suck when you look at the "big picture"? Why not ask that question of the guys from DL, NW, UA, etc, etc, etc. I'd say a lot more than a few know what "displaced" really means!

 

[capt_zman]

So change "displaced" to "postponed". Either way, it's 20-25 grand out (yes, as I claim) of my pocket. I don't care whether it's a narrow or wide point of view, it sucks.

It's real easy to sit back and say, well look at the other airlines or your lucky to have this job, when it doesn't affect you. I bet you'd sing a different tune if mgmt said to you, "why not ask the guys from DL, NW, UA" when the question of pay concessions comes up at FDX.

 

[propjob27]

cackling crackwhore and her boy toy Rico getting it on in the room above me while I'm trying to sleep wearingthe same underwear I've had on for 3 days.

Did you go upstairs and check her out??? What did she look like??

PS, No ones interested in your goddam n underwear. Of course, if you managed to sneak out with a pair of hers, now thats a different story.

(PM me and I'll buy 'em)


edit:

When you're down to just one pair of underwear for a 3 day trip, sleep nakked. In a pinch, you can cut up a hotel pillow case and use it as make shift skivvies. You'll have to borrow some scissors from the front desk, since we're not allowed to carry our own anymore thanks to a bunch of a-rabs. Note, be careful wearing your new pillow case shorts near a black light. I've been embarrassed more than once in a strip club like that...

 

[Miyagi]

So change "displaced" to "postponed". Either way, it's 20-25 grand out (yes, as I claim) of my pocket. I don't care whether it's a narrow or wide point of view, it sucks.

It's real easy to sit back and say, well look at the other airlines or your lucky to have this job, when it doesn't affect you. I bet you'd sing a different tune if mgmt said to you, "why not ask the guys from DL, NW, UA" when the question of pay concessions comes up at FDX.

Z,

Will it make you feel any better if you realize that you only actually "lost" out on somewhere between 14-17K after our good Uncle gets his share?

 

[1stCivDiv]

Head to hotel, only to have a cackling crackwhore and her boy toy Rico getting it on in the room above me while I'm trying to sleep wearing the same underwear I've had on for 3 days.

Who wears underwear to bed?? :laugh:

 

[Falconjet]

Zman: It did come off pretty whiney. I'd give you the benefit of the doubt that it was just a momentary outburst in the middle of a rotten trip.

I spent my first 2 years on the panel on reserve because I couldn't even hold a line. 2 years of not even making the average BLG. I guess I "lost" a lot of money, but I was still happy to be here and you won't hear me complain about much.

Going on 4 years on the panel and finally looking at right seat in the fall, fortunately I did figure out a way to get the right seat pay I could hold though, so I have even less to complain about.

Folks will continue to come in on top of you until you are the number 1 guy so you might as well get used to it. After all, if it weren't for those 4500 or so guys ahead of you you would be making widebody captain pay!

Hang in there and enjoy the jug of shame with me a few months longer!

FJ

 

[MalteseX]

A question for clarification...getting passover pay as the junior guy activates does not apply if the guy being leap-frogged is still on probation pay right? I think he'll keep making $49.86/hr until off probation. Can anybody confirm or refute this for me?

Yes and no.....

The senior individual WILL technically get passover pay; but the passover pay happens to be the same amount for all aircraft the first year.

You don't make $49.86 until off probation. That is first year pay--not related to whether you are on probation. You can be collecting second year pay and passover pay, and still be on probation. (ie someone who took mil leave and had his probation extended).

 

[MalteseX]

We'll see what happens, but the corp world might be calling. This whole thing sucks.

I think you will be getting passover pay when a junior guy activates--so you'll still be paid like you were in the rt seat. At least that's my understanding.

 

[Miyagi]

Yes and no.....

The senior individual WILL technically get passover pay; but the passover pay happens to be the same amount for all aircraft the first year.

You don't make $49.86 until off probation. That is first year pay--not related to whether you are on probation. You can be collecting second year pay and passover pay, and still be on probation. (ie someone who took mil leave and had his probation extended).

Not entirely correct as first year right seat widebody pay is $51.69. So we could see the purple nugget newhires, as well as the passover eligibles, get this $2.17 plus up during year one.

 

[angry tanker]

Just remember that passover pay is only effective for the current bid award. if you were awarded anc on the moab, no problem, but if you were pushed back in training from the previous bid, no luck (i think).

 

[MalteseX]

Just remember that passover pay is only effective for the current bid award. if you were awarded anc on the moab, no problem, but if you were pushed back in training from the previous bid, no luck (i think).

If you were pushed back in training and a junior crewmember goes to training in front of you, you'll get passover pay.

If a new hire (junior guy)and the guy on property (senior guy) hold an award for the same crew position (MD-11 ANC), and the junior pilots award is from the same posting, OR subsequent posting then the senior guy gets passover pay. In this case, MD-11 guys from the MOAB and from the previous bid.

Provided, the junior pilot's training delays the training of the senior guys AND the senior guys subsequently activate in that position (ie don't leave for another aircraft).

 

[Concierj]

This scenario applies to about 30-40 pilots. Pilot A is senior to B.

Bid 1:
Pilot A awarded MEM MD-11 FO
Pilot B awarded ANC MD-11 FO

Pilot B begins training for ANC while Pilot A waits for a later training date.

Bid 2 (MOAB):
Pilot B awarded MEM MD-11 FO

Pilot A’s training pushed back. (Over 1 year now from Bid 1 award)

Pilot B, now a qualified MD-11 FO is activated to MEM prior to pilot A’s training completion.

IE Guy bids ANC first, then MEM, qualifies in the seat and beats you there (MEM) when you were awarded MEM from the previous bid.

Is pilot A entitled to Passover pay? From the contract it doesn’t appear so. This scenario is not a morale booster. Sorry for the semantics.

 

[Falconjet]

This scenario applies to about 30-40 pilots. Pilot A is senior to B.

Bid 1:
Pilot A awarded MEM MD-11 FO
Pilot B awarded ANC MD-11 FO

Pilot B begins training for ANC while Pilot A waits for a later training date.

Bid 2 (MOAB):
Pilot B awarded MEM MD-11 FO

Pilot A’s training pushed back. (Over 1 year now from Bid 1 award)

Pilot B, now a qualified MD-11 FO is activated to MEM prior to pilot A’s training completion.

IE Guy bids ANC first, then MEM, qualifies in the seat and beats you there (MEM) when you were awarded MEM from the previous bid.

Is pilot A entitled to Passover pay? From the contract it doesn’t appear so. This scenario is not a morale booster. Sorry for the semantics.

I don't think so, even though it is a subsequent posting (bid). Pilot A's training isn't delayed by B's activation into the new domicile, its being pushed back by pilots senior to him that have come in on the new posting (MOAB). That is what is actually delaying the training, not the fact that B has already trained and activated.

I'm just looking at it from a contractual standpoint, and I certainly could be wrong, but it doesn't look like A will get passover for that. Kind of makes Pilot B look like a genius though.

Not a loophole that I would bank on, but it might have worked out for some of the Bs. The A pilots will get their revenge when they activate and push the B guys back onto reserve.

I hope that these guys let us know what happens and whether or not they get the passover pay.

FJ

 

[Concierj]

I agree, no passover. It appears that the company is metering already qualified MD11 pilots (Senior to A, exception of B) from ANC to MEM (Lateral) over the summer months from the MOAB. With this above (Pilot A and B scenario) loophole in the contract, the company could hypothetically, train new hires to ANC and once qualified, post a new bid, award those ANC new hire's MEM and delay A's training indefinitely. (Locking A in his/her current seat unless he/she bids a different position.) Not a can of worms the company should open up though. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[flyatnight]

I am also effected by the bid. I was supposed to train MD-11/FO (Memphis) in Jun, but after the MOAB, was moved back to October. I am curious about passover pay as well.

It seems that new hire pilots are being trained in place of those of us that haven't yet trained on bid 05-03. While we are in fact going to different domiciles, it doesn't seem to be the intent of the contract to push back our training and train new hire pilots without paying passover pay. If more senior pilots were allowed to train ahead of us, I think that is just tough luck. But this isn't the case. I don't know if we will be offered passover pay or not (my guess is NOT). I

Anyway, I am going to write the union an email, and hopefully someone is there to answer (they are probably on strike now). I think if we can't get the answer we are looking for, we could file a grievance. I don't care when I train, but I am looking to be paid for the training delay. How many are effected by this anyway?

 

[HoursHore]

If you go to the training letter, you can see the first 0503 11FM is now starting late Sep. I think there are around 22 of us from 0503 in the same boat not including the 11FA guys that will get passover.