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[CaptainMark]

Easy everyone, we're all on the same team. You too, 'Zo.

agreed magnum...it is so easy to complain about the contract and give solutions...cause god knows we pilots are geniouses...hey alonzo..i liked "midnight run" too...speaking of volunteering..i did..i vlteered for ALPA and FPA..in the offices calling all the nonmembers and trying to convince them to join..many did..some didn't...what have you done?..i know JUST COMPLAIN and offer up your solution...well i have a friend in scheduling and there are tons on VLTs each day..mostly in the rt seat of the bus...so go preach to them...and if you do not like my humor do not read it...i am killing time on b-reserve on this website..as soon as the wx breaks i will be golfing with memtrash and others...so i will not be posting...so hopefully that will make you happy...fly safe all

 

[AlonzoMosley]

Thanks for the welcome from FalconJet. I agree that we are on the same team and it is good to hear that the Capt is with us on the VLT. I didn't know he would be so emotional about it. It would do us all good to remember that this is just business and not to let it get emotional. That is what the company needs to win the contract they want. This is a great pilot group to be associated with and I picked on the Capt because some of his humor seems to come with a big ego that makes us look not so good as a group. However, we are all individuals so that is bound to happen. Name calling is really isn't necessary though.

 

[twiceskunkeddog]

Heard a rumor that....

Paris is in the works for real this time so the MOAB may be cut in half both in duration and numbers. My question is, does the CBA have any language about a COLA or some other way to make that not so painful. Last time I was in France (last March), it was ssssssspensive!!! A Buck Thirty doesn't go as far as in the US ifyouknowwhatimean...

Thanks,

TSD

 

[MemTrash]

any one of you two up for trying to take a lowly fe's hard earned cash? sure could use the extra bump in pay. if you're up to it???

Capt_zman, kicking my butt at golf is way to easy. I have to many kids to play much, but CaptMark might give you some cash if you can get him to take some time off and play. I'll keep score and slow you guys down.

 

[Deuce130]

Paris is in the works for real this time so the MOAB may be cut in half both in duration and numbers. My question is, does the CBA have any language about a COLA or some other way to make that not so painful. Last time I was in France (last March), it was ssssssspensive!!! A Buck Thirty doesn't go as far as in the US ifyouknowwhatimean...

Thanks,

TSD

TSD, care to expand on that rumor any? How would that cut the MOAB in half or duration? Any words on whether it's Bus or Maddog? It would seem that any time this year for a Euro domicile would be dang quick.

 

[WorldOnTime]

Thanks for the welcome from FalconJet. I agree that we are on the same team and it is good to hear that the Capt is with us on the VLT. I didn't know he would be so emotional about it. It would do us all good to remember that this is just business and not to let it get emotional. That is what the company needs to win the contract they want. This is a great pilot group to be associated with and I picked on the Capt because some of his humor seems to come with a big ego that makes us look not so good as a group. However, we are all individuals so that is bound to happen. Name calling is really isn't necessary though.

First of all, let me be the 2nd to welcome you. Next, what did you expect when you basically call the guy out on your first post-especially after you say you don't know him? I don't know Mark either, but I think you got off easy. BTW, I agree with what you said about vacation, draft, etc...

 

[twiceskunkeddog]

Sorry... I meant that the bid would only cover a year instead of two and that rather than 300 or so Widebody slots there would only be 150. Paris was rumored to be Airbus.

It was one of those things I read on another forum from this guy that said that his first cousin's aunt's husband's friend said that "the man" was on his jumpseat and he's the one that said it.

Confused? So am I, but I guess the only thing that I was concerned with was if there was any language about foreign domiciles in very expensive places. I heard another option was Zurich which is stupid expensive.

Just curious,

TSD

 

[WorldOnTime]

Sorry... I meant that the bid would only cover a year instead of two and that rather than 300 or so Widebody slots there would only be 150. Paris was rumored to be Airbus.

It was one of those things I read on another forum from this guy that said that his first cousin's aunt's husband's friend said that "the man" was on his jumpseat and he's the one that said it.

Confused? So am I, but I guess the only thing that I was concerned with was if there was any language about foreign domiciles in very expensive places. I heard another option was Zurich which is stupid expensive.

Just curious,

TSD

Have you gotten any news yet?

 

[Echopapa]

Second, and this goes without saying, there will never be a contract as long as the VLT, DRF and vacation sellbacks are still going on. It has to stop. .

First, welcome to the board.

Second....I disagree with you on this issue and think that your personal attack is out of line.

A no draft/vlt policy implemented in the hap-hazard manner you suggest will not help us gain a new contract, but instead will instead deny us the use of that cabability when it is both legal and most effective. I have posted this before, but will again.

I advise you to use caution when you advocate job actions that are against federal law. You may feel a certain level of protection in that flight info does not identify your name....but realize that all electronic posts and emails have trailers that identify when you posted and from what ISP.

The union has many tools available for use to expedite/influence the pace and character of contract negotiations. These include, among many other choices,

Informational picketing
No VLT/DRFT (No Overtime)
Sick Out
Work Slowdown
Regional Strike
Wild Cat Strike
System Wide Strike


Federal law has placed limits on when each of these tools may be used. Specifically, what you are proposing is not allowed until we have ended our cooling off period and released into self help.

For any of these tools to be effective they need to be planned and implemented by union leadership and at the most advantagious time and as a whole pilot group.

The BEST way for a no vlt/draft policy to be most effective would be to be instituted at an optimum time, for example peak, and only done when every union member is aware of that policy and on board.

Realize that the company will react to any changes we make. If we start this policy through word of mouth and it takes months to implement effectively (if at all) then the company will have time to adjust its manning. Now.....when we really want to use it...it won't do us any good.

REMEMBER the Union will direct this action when it is both legal and most effective. It is not helpful for informal, unorganized, and illegal job action attempts to be made by fractions of our pilot force.

If you are a union member I ask you to contact your union rep and let them educate you. What they ask you to do right now is to fly the contract. The time will come for more action, but it will be directed by ALPA...and not on some message board.

My union speaks for me.

 

[kc10/c130]

Paris Hub announced in August.

257 1/2 WB
All taken by current WB right seaters.

WWE in Memphis in April with Capt Mark and Zo in a cage match and EchoPapa as Referee

Of course I jest about August, its Sept. :cartman:

 

[CaptainMark]

hey no problems with ZO...just giving him the business for calling me a bigmouth..he is probably right...but my trip to ewr just got cx...so another day of pay on my couch..later

 

[PastV1]

I think some of you may be confused on "seat locks". The only "seat locks" that will apply per the contract are if you bid to the same 'Pay rate" in a different aircraft, i.e. a lateral bid, (18 months), or down bid to a "lesser paying seat". Then the lock is 24 months. On each and every bid the "company" has the choice of when to train someone.

i.e. You are the most senior FO to bid a Captain seat in a given jet. You also happen to be in a current seat that is very short. You may well be held for several months in your current seat until they have the manning to "release" you to train in the next jet.

So, all the SO's that have to wait for training are not "locked" per se'.

Alonzo,
how long have you been with us?

Past....

 

[PastV1]

Hey, I just got a trip thru EWR! I want to sit on the couch and have a beer or ten!

Past....

 

[PastV1]

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[AlonzoMosley]

Hi Guys, thanks for the responses. They are all something to think about. The message has been as direct as legally possible about everyone making a personal decision. The company isn't going to settle until they feel that it is in their best interest and that will only be when they are pressured to settle. Did everyone receive their purple promise pin in the mail?

I did get off easy with the Capt. His response was perfect. But I just had to know... Hope the golfing goes well. I haven't done VLT, DFT or sellback in at least five years. I enjoy my time at home too much to do extra. BTW, I have been around over 10 years.

 

[PastV1]

BTW, If you've been around that long you should know exactly where the rock throwing at each other got us in the 90's.

Past...

 

[AlonzoMosley]

Past,
Is seems that rock throwing is at least half of what goes on at flightinfo. You guys act as if I am the first one to bring these subjects up. Any lecture about rock throwing should be directed at someone else. I'm not on here to stir things up, just to check out the latest rumors. After all, we are all in this together and have to support each other. One of the great things about flying is the cameraderie.

 

[AlbieF15]

Fact is, the small markets subsidize the large markets in this country. If you can't fly a 737 or A320 into it 7 times a day the fares are usually 2 or 3 times the price of the longer legs between bigger cities (with lots of competition). I'm NOT saying regulation is the answer, but you can bet there are a lot of places (think of those served ONLY by an ASA, Pinnacle, etc as code share partners) that would certainly support more frequent, regulated service. Not going socialist on anyone--just saying there ARE areas where such ideas would be very popular. Those places don't include DAL, FLL, or JFK...

 

[CaptainMark]

Amen brother...we only make fun of swa pilots..just jokes

 

[AlbieF15]

1. I have no idea why most post on SWA ended up here. I guess I'm a posting buffoon.

2. Zo--calling Capt Mark out on post #1, and showing up talking about comraderie having posted 4 posts so far, is about as pretentious as showing up Stag at a wife swap party. Other than that--glad to have you aboard.
FYI--with ANG obligations and dropping a week of trips for an owner/annual party, I managed to squeek in only 30 hours of a 90 hour bid month. I also flunked bidding and got a terrible AM O&B line that doesn't work for my body clock or my commuter lifestyle. That's not a work action--that's just a busy month with some activities that couldn't be rescheduled coupled with bad bidding. However--if our UNION asks us to do something you can bet at the appropriate time just about anyone who's a board regular will follow their lead. Shots across the bow prior to then invite NLRB lawyers.