Favorite words of a new Lear 24 F/O

[legaleagle]

UAV chaser,

It was my money bro, and $100k in loans. Kiss my ass. Man, you, know what, I posted what I thought might be a constructive thought in the forum directed at no one in particular, and what do I get? I get a bunch of discontent, angry, poor, f)(*ed up people probably working at DQ during their furlough. I have $100k in loans, and I am as poor as they get. But, you know what? I respect people who work very hard, and furthermore, those who don't complain, and try to belittle others to compensate for their f*&ked up lives. So, if you have some issue with me, which you couldn't, because none of you know me, then come up to Boston, and let's work it out face to face. You people sit behind these screennames scratching your balls waiting for your next job or student, and just hammer away at people, even those with constructive questions in the training and FAR sections. Maybe sitting at your desk jacking off has made you anti-social.
Other than defending myself, I have not personally attacked anyone. What the f*(& have you stooges done in life that makes you worthy of personally attacking me?

God I hope you don't ever break a law even inadvertently, sell a house, get married, make a will, buy insurance, get sued, get married, get divorced (which seems like the greatest likelihood based on some of your attitudes), violate a reg, etc., otherwise you will be f(*&ed if you continue this bull*()t against attorneys. It is a profession. I respect the profession of being a pilot, as I am one, and I would expect the same from you with regard to attorneys. Of the people that keep spewing the BS, have you ever had a bad experience with an attorney? I am assuming that you are just perpetuating the unfortunate jokes. How about A-rod making $250 MILLION, a QUARTER OF BILLION DOLLARS. That is like $95k an at bat. I don't hear much criticism there.
My guess is that you won't feel that way when you need an attorney. Then it will all be tears as you cry in their lap asking them to save your butt.

Those of you that antagonize my soon to be profession are losing credibility quickly.

P.S. For those of you who use this site on a hour by hour basis, day after day, have you contributed to the site when they ask for donations? Based on the stats, most of you loudmouth f(*&ups haven't ponied up, but you are the most vocal segment here. I have $100k in law loans, no income, and no family money added to the pot (not because it wasn't there, but because I am 30, and I didn't want to borrow from my parents). I ponied up, so put up or shut up.

Happy flying!

 

[legaleagle]

lymann, even if it was 6000 fpm, what is 6000/60*2-4 sec? And he was not vertical, he probably had a 15-20 degree pitch at best.

 

[CatYaaak]

I will tell you this, if my wife or g/f had been one of the nurse's on board, those two would have had another air ambulance ride.. in the back.

Same here, ATR.

I can't understand those of you jumping on Legal just because he saw this freakin' idiot's obviously dangerous antics (pax on board, and over populated area) and followed his conscious. If indeed they rolled their Lear just after takeoff from Hanscom, the notion that he has to have "X" amount of hours to make a judgement on this is ludicrous.

If you're sitting in a school parking lot waiting for your kid and some idiot comes careening through it at 100+ mph, do you say to yourself "Oh gee, that MIGHT be a bad thing but you know I didn't have a radar gun with me and besides cops are really the only ones who can make a judgement on whether it was legal or dangerous". Do you lose the right to make that value judgement if the one behind the wheel is say, Dale Earnhardt Jr, and you have zero race-speed driving hours? ("Well, Dale thought it was OK to race through your kid's school, so who are YOU to say any differently?"). The regs regarding aerobatic flight are DEFINITELY ones that are written in blood...pilot's blood, unknowing passenger blood, and some blood of those sitting on the ground. Do they have to be overwritten time and time again?

"What the airplane can do" is competely irrelavent in this case, it's about an INTENTIONAL act of incredibly bad judgement, and even the best professional aerobatic pilots aren't immune to fatal accidents, let alone immature wannabe's like this....they splash with great regularity. I've spent more than an average share of my flight time upside down, doing aerobatics for fun, but when I go to work I'm paid and entrusted with the equipment and lives to fly like the company wants me to unless it were to run afoul of the Regs you operate under.

If the crew wants to risk killing themselves on their own time fine...nobody cares except for perhaps a few "tut tuts"...but having a pilot's certificate or flying job does NOT make them above-reproach saints, or give them the right to bring others with them into a smokin' hole or create one in someone's living room while they get their ya ya's out.

For those of you thinking Legal's being a "taddler" or "sanctimonious", I can only assume you'd watch the display and let it go. What then if next month, or year, this same pilot winds up killing a few innocent people when one of those CJ-610s sh1ts the bed during his "show off to the female F/O takeoff", or just has a bad day? When the story comes out, like it or not, a$$holes like this not only destroy lives and equipment, they help destroy the reputation of our profession. YOUR profession! They give credence to any anti-airport NIMBY group out there. As aviation professionals, I'd think you'd do better to censure this no-brain crew than trying to lambast the Messenger.

 

[TopGun-MAV]

how does a lear 24 compare to a beech 1900? i heard that if you loose an engine on takeoff (a V1 cut as we call them at the airlines) its no big deal?

maverick

 

[legaleagle]

Cat,

Thank you, and thank you to those who are voicing some constructive criticism from the flight community itself. I can't imagine why this post has turned into a pilot vs. attorney thing. I am a commercial pilot as well, and earned it with my own money. It took three years.

Thanks again!

 

[legaleagle]

uav, you douchebag

UAV chaser,

It was my money bro, and $100k in loans. Kiss my ass. Man, you, know what, I posted what I thought might be a constructive thought in the forum directed at no one in particular, and what do I get? I get a bunch of discontent, angry, poor, f)(*ed up people probably working at DQ during their furlough. I have $100k in loans, and I am as poor as they get. But, you know what? I respect people who work very hard, and furthermore, those who don't complain, and try to belittle others to compensate for their f*&ked up lives. So, if you have some issue with me, which you couldn't, because none of you know me, then come up to Boston, and let's work it out face to face. You people sit behind these screennames scratching your balls waiting for your next job or student, and just hammer away at people, even those with constructive questions in the training and FAR sections. Maybe sitting at your desk jacking off has made you anti-social.
Other than defending myself, I have not personally attacked anyone. What the f*(& have you stooges done in life that makes you worthy of personally attacking me?

God I hope you don't ever break a law even inadvertently, sell a house, get married, make a will, buy insurance, get sued, get married, get divorced (which seems like the greatest likelihood based on some of your attitudes), violate a reg, etc., otherwise you will be f(*&ed if you continue this bull*()t against attorneys. It is a profession. I respect the profession of being a pilot, as I am one, and I would expect the same from you with regard to attorneys. Of the people that keep spewing the BS, have you ever had a bad experience with an attorney? I am assuming that you are just perpetuating the unfortunate jokes. How about A-rod making $250 MILLION, a QUARTER OF BILLION DOLLARS. That is like $95k an at bat. I don't hear much criticism there.
My guess is that you won't feel that way when you need an attorney. Then it will all be tears as you cry in their lap asking them to save your butt.

Those of you that antagonize my soon to be profession are losing credibility quickly.

P.S. For those of you who use this site on a hour by hour basis, day after day, have you contributed to the site when they ask for donations? Based on the stats, most of you loudmouth f(*&ups haven't ponied up, but you are the most vocal segment here. I have $100k in law loans, no income, and no family money added to the pot (not because it wasn't there, but because I am 30, and I didn't want to borrow from my parents). I ponied up, so put up or shut up.

Happy flying!

 

[legaleagle]

No offense meant here, but I am going to ask a very simple question. I think I am entitled to it, after enduring this sh*& today.

"how does a lear 24 compare to a beech 1900? i heard that if you loose an engine on takeoff (a V1 cut as we call them at the airlines) its no big deal?"

MAV



Mav, you have 430 hours, and you are speaking from an "airline standpoint"? I have 300 hours, and I don't think that I would be qualified to FO on the line at any airline in a King Air, 1900, or CRJ (depending on what program you are in), even if I had flown at Tab Express solely in King Airs for my entire training.

 

[legaleagle]

Good night everyone!

 

[DIRT]

LegalEagle,

First I really don't care about the Lear doing low level aerobatics.... Darwin will take care of those guys.

But what I must say is Lawyers are PARASITES!!!!! The reason people have to hire lawyers is becuase the ABA or whatever association you GREEDY PR1CKS are part of contribute to political campaigns and in turn the politicians make our laws so complex and far reaching you have to hire a lawyer to wipe your own A$$.

I read somewhere at one time it was against the law to have a State Law book in Texas if you weren't a Lawyer.... wonder who came up with that law??? DUH!!!!

Also I hope "Chuck Yeager" in the lear catches up with you and gives you what all lawyers deserve....... a swift kick in the A$$.


Dirt

 

[legaleagle]

Dirt, how old are you? You aren't commercial yet. Did you go to college?

Rather than give me a BS quote of some "guy" or "magazine" that told you that a Texas law may or may not have existed, can you find me the particular TX statute on point?

I can.

Go back to polishing your knob...Then, perhaps you will be able to see your reflection, and see what a loser you are.

 

[legaleagle]

And Dirt,

As I said in an earlier post, I don't agree with the ABA on about 95% of the things they say. So, apparently your reading skills are a little suspect. Awards have become way too high, and billing $450 an hour at a top firm is out of whack. But, in an example of to support that attorneys are a good idea, North Carolina did away with the requirement of having an attorney at closing, when you buy a house. Your telling me that you are putting your whole life savings on the line with a $400k house, and you are going to look over a 100 page closing packet with no advice? I find that troubling, even if I were the house purchaser. The bank has an attorney, the title insurance company has an attorney, but you don't. Sure, save yourself $250-500, but when all of those entities come after you, do you know your rights?

The only reason that there are attorneys, is that there are bright line rules governing a world that does not operate on bright line rules on a day to day basis.. There is always an exception that someone needs advocated. We are only here to clarify and advocate for you in the grey areas. And that requires a fundamental understanding of how to research the issue, respond to the other advocate, and create a stance for/or against.


Dirt, for you to make a statement like that, means that you really don't like being an American. The forefathers gave you an opportunity to argue anything. But, not the education to understand how to get it done. That is too complex. Just as we all were not taught how to fly, right out of the womb. Many could say the same thing about CFI's. The regs and operational requirements, are so burdensome that I need to pay a CFI $35 an hour to figure it out. See, everyone has some knowledge that they have to pay to acquire, and then must recoup the cost of, to eat.

 

[CDVdriver]

Top gun Mav, that's a dumb-#ss question.
And let's give legal eagle a little room to breathe here.
Playing the devils advocate here,but he is right YOU KNOW!
What a complete D@CK head stunt to pull with pax right after take-off.
Even if he is an ex military world champion aerobatic pilot (NOT)
There's a time and a place for everything.
I would have reported him if I had seen it.
Will tell y'all a little story:

Once upon a time not too long ago I saw a pilot preflighting his Citation. Well, he kicked the tires and opened the door.
He was clearly the owner/pilot.
Loaded up grandma and grandpa and 5 or more kids<14 . ( so about 3 pax more then seats)
His pregnant wife took the right seat holding a small baby and not able to use the shoulderbelt.
Now lets see,how many violations do we have racked up already.
That's not the only point it's just plain stupid and dangerous.
Taxies out and takes off.
I traced the N number on the net and called the FSDO in Memphis (his home base).Unfortunately on a sunday nobody home.. ...
But I would have reported him.
I have to drive like a little old lady(see different thread) watch whatever I drink or eat, have spent $70,000 have been broke ever since I started in aviation..now it has all been worth it..would do it again...but not to see some idiot ruin it for the rest of us.
By all means pro-rollers..do it..plenty of people to take your job.
Do not forget what it takes to get there in the first place.
This comes as close to the Darwin award as those South West drinky drinky pilots.

 

[DIRT]

What do these questions have to do with my opinions about lawyers? Do you want a date or something?? Sorry I'm not gay.

ps I bet daddy didn't help you one bit getting that 100k in loans either.... aaahhhh right.

For your info the I fly for fun no need for commercial ticket. age:28 Degree in POS / Neal Boortz is the "source"

And you can take that 160k law degree and shove it up your a$$.

 

[350DRIVER]

legaleagle,

I do think some are being a tad harsh on you in this thread, but you came off as an arrogant j@ckass by the way that you posted this "incident". I did quite a few test flights in a Lear 45 out of HOU for AJ after they would do light/heavy mx on the aircraft, and guess what we did empty? Yup, you sure got that right. (it is called "fun") !! Was it "unsafe"? I think not....I am still here to talk about it as well as the others. everything in this industry cannot be considered "unsafe" if you are well within the aircraft's operating envelope and you know when and when not to push the limits. Most of the more experienced aviators who frequent this board I am sure will second this. I am a tad dissapointed that avbug has not chimed in yet although I am sure he probably will.

There is not need to insult others with 10X the experience and flight time that you have, no argument will be won that way. If in your opinion you felt these guys were so "unsafe" to report them then you did indeed do the correct thing but your "use of words" in your initial post leaves a lot to be desired and that is the "reason" why you are getting attacked.


I wish you luck

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ps> look at the airlines that have "NO" pilots on furlough present day before you throw that word around.!!

 

[legaleagle]

Dirt,

One, got the loan solely on my credit after busting my ass on Wall Street for 3 years,and then starting my own company that I successfully sold after two years. Two, I fly for fun too, just wanted to get the commercial and instrument to make me sharper and as a challenge. Three, you sound gay. Man this is childish. Four, your education is from a libertarian radio host? For the love of god. I am libertarian to some degree as well. I think most would agree you have a screw loose Five, pm me for my address in the Beantown, my 6'4 230 lb figure will be glad to shove it up your ass anytime. I will even fly you up here in my plane before I do it. Maybe I will do it as I fly you up here. Maybe I will have my girlfriend do it. Maybe my mom could do it.

Man, people like you make this fun. Hope to see you!

 

[Jmmccutc]

ok, i'm gonna take legaleagle's side here for just a second...let's just say that this wasn't the smartest of moves...

...BUT...

...a point that every one keeps saying is about the pax on board...and that got me thinking...what about the pax...how do you know that they didn't encourage this? might have said something like, "let do somethign 'fun'"...just a thought, take it how you will...

editied for spelling...

 

[Dizel8]

Even then...................

 

[legaleagle]

350,

Point taken. Initial post was supposed to a suggestion for the pilots here, based on a criticism of the Lear pilot. I was not intending to brag or sound arrogant. And if so, my sincere apologies. Second, I am assuming that while you rolled an aircraft, you did not roll an aircraft within 500 ft of the ground. Third, would I want to be doing rolls and loops, even on a 172, on its initial post maintenance ride. No, but that's just my conservative self.

And finally, I am not intending to insult anyone that has not already responded to my initial post in a derogatory manner. There are of course many people that agree with me, and those who I'm sure don't. But, the only ones who have posted threads that have been personally insulting, rather than on point, are pilots who have no basis for saying that I am wrong, other than I am a "prude", a *(U) or whatever. So, that leads me to believe that my assertion of the stupidty still stands as valid.

To those in the forum that contribute constructively, I truly am sorry for any confusion. This has gotten way out of hand. I think the majority of safe pilots agree that this was maneuver was in error. My intention of posting it, was not to say that I reported him, and yeehaw for me, but rather to suggest that this was not a smart move. If I had posted just a description of the maneuver, I imagine that I would have 400 people saying that was the most idiotic thing they had heard.

Thanks 350.

 

[350DRIVER]

legaleagle,

Nice response, sorry for my negative first response. This is one rowdy bunch on this board so you may want to purchase some protective equipment for when you sign on, especially that adorable and nice jmm guy.


good luck to you


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> It was always fun in the 45 to get cleared up to 10,000 on takeoff.- fun is fun as long as you can be safe for a desired outcome for all parties involved whether they be involved directly or indirectly.

 

[Diesel]

actually the FAA's charter is to promote air commerce.