FAPA President, "Happy with the outcome."

[FlyinPiker]

The 40 airplane deal was because we could have unloaded immediately the rest because of expired leases on the Airbii. We have enough 737's on the property or on order to absorb the guys with the increase in flying from F9. No pilots would have been furloughed. SW could have flicked a switch and had newhire classes for 60-100 a month until all were trained.

What's the point of making things up?

None of these are facts...they are all what could have happened.

They easily could have not have happened.

Blah blah blah....

Why are you guys so anxious to tell these guys they were wrong. Most of them didn't have a say in any of this anyway.

Do you enjoy kicking people when they're down?

 

[ExAF]

ATA guys

Ha ha, hey Joe ask the ATA guys how well they got taken care of.

Well...I know there are a bunch of them flying for Compass now.

 

[Whine Lover]

Furloughed? What about the new Rest and duty Regs. about to come into play?

If the possibility of some furloughs and the fact that Captains would have to pull gear and lose some quality of life were the only two reasons you guys could come up with to turn down a semi-guaranteed ( there are no guarantees ) well defined future for yourselves...You guys deserve everything you get from here.

There will be nothing but heartache and pain foostered upon you with RAH.

In most likelihood, F9 will wither on the vine and be parted out and sold over a few years time.

That is not my wish for any of you, and good luck with it.

But, I think some very nasty writing is on the wall for you folks.

Remember....RAh and F9 = It's nothing personal, it's just BUSINESS.

Ouch.


YKOHNO!

 

[Skyboy722]

Was the pay protection offered at current rates or at higher rates in place previous to a pay concession?

For the record, they were offered pay protection at PRE-Concessionary wages. Not that it matters.

 

[Quiet Flight]

For the record, they were offered pay protection at PRE-Concessionary wages. Not that it matters.

Or the current SWA rate for seat and longevity, whichever was higher. Not that it matters.

 

[sshrae]

Furloughed? What about the new Rest and duty Regs. about to come into play?

If the possibility of some furloughs and the fact that Captains would have to pull gear and lose some quality of life were the only two reasons you guys could come up with to turn down a semi-guaranteed ( there are no guarantees ) well defined future for yourselves...You guys deserve everything you get from here.

There will be nothing but heartache and pain foostered upon you with RAH.

In most likelihood, F9 will wither on the vine and be parted out and sold over a few years time.

That is not my wish for any of you, and good luck with it.

But, I think some very nasty writing is on the wall for you folks.

Remember....RAh and F9 = It's nothing personal, it's just BUSINESS.

Ouch.


YKOHNO!

I have to admit, initially I thought the SWA thing was a good deal, but then hearing the FAPA leaders talk about the meeting they said it was laughable. The arrogance of the SWAPA guys was out of control. I honestly now think the F9 group is in a better situation. This way F9 will still exist and the way I hear it everybody will keep their jobs instead of maybe getting a chance to fly for SWA if they call the junior few hundred back after the inevitable furlough. FAPA was not just looking out for the senior guys here as so many have stated, if anything, they were looking out more for the junior group. 11 planes off line = 100+ laid off pilots. Its still a roll of the dice with RAH but I think they made the right move. Good luck F9.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Good luck F9. If SWA furloughed 100, they would probably be recalled fairly quickly with expansion. When RAH furloughs, there will be no recall. Anyways, good luck I hope it works our for all of you.

 

[The Victors]

Your view of the SWAPA guys "arrogance and out of control" is inaccurate. Your FAPA leaders are lying to you. Good Luck F9 guys. I think your screwed, but hopefully not. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. (except maybe VA) I also believe that you're fooling yourself if you believe the current 2000+ RAH pilots are not going to have issues with flying "your" buses.

 

[General Lee]

Your view of the SWAPA guys "arrogance and out of control" is inaccurate. Your FAPA leaders are lying to you. Good Luck F9 guys. I think your screwed, but hopefully not. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. (except maybe VA) I also believe that you're fooling yourself if you believe the current 2000+ RAH pilots are not going to have issues with flying "your" buses.

They are "lying to you"......Hmmm....well, if the attitude of SWAPA members is even remotely close to the SWA pilots attitude on this board, I bet they were NOT lying. Now is the time for Republic to turn around and smack SWA in DEN.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[saab fixr]

what about the article that virgin america wants the buses? as far as RAH wouldnt it be better to operate a fleet type that is common with eachother to hold down costs? I dont know whats in the future and after all is said i as part of the RAH family welcome the fine folks of Frontier airlines, you have always been one of the best airlines out there!! good luck to you all and my you posper with us

 

[AnimalTale]

they are "lying to you"......hmmm....well, if the attitude of swapa members is even remotely close to the swa pilots attitude on this board, i bet they were not lying. Arrogance abound for sure. Now is the time for republic to turn around and smack swa in den.


Bye bye--general lee

General,

Thanks for being pro-F9, however I am disappointed in this outcome. I think RAH will continue to degrade our profession. I do not feel sorry for F9/FAPA, we deserve it and I am glad we are not going to dilute the "STRONG" SWAPA group. Knowing SWAPA and a few friends at SWA, they were never going to "lay-off" our pilots, contrary to what are UNION tells us.

We havent even seen our proposed Letter of Agreement with RAH, yet. I am worried and ready for a long battle to restore this profession.

CYA

 

[stratus72]

For the life of me I cannot believe f9 pilots turned down a seniority number as wn. Sure there would have been job losses, but if you think there wont be any at Republic, you are dreaming. Republic has no clue how to compete with the big boys. What about career expectations for F9 pilots? Someone told me that 60% of F9 pilots have aps at WN, your senior negotiators just screwed you. Good luck F9 pilots, i wish you and your family's the best and I hope im wrong in my analysis. Time will tell.....

I'd say Frontier knows how to compete with the big boys...just ask SWA!

 

[avrodriver]

what about the article that virgin america wants the buses? as far as RAH wouldnt it be better to operate a fleet type that is common with eachother to hold down costs? I dont know whats in the future and after all is said i as part of the RAH family welcome the fine folks of Frontier airlines, you have always been one of the best airlines out there!! good luck to you all and my you posper with us

Virgin America was just trying to get their names in the paper.

Southwest would have never given them those airplanes and they knew it. By stating they'd be interested in 40 some a/c it all they wanted to do was get investors attention.

As for fleets. I will be very surprise to see all the buses go away. The 318's and a few 319's maybe, but Bedfords no dope. I could even see him adding more 320's.

Most of Frontier's operation seems to be fine just the way it is. With a few tweaks here and there (yes probably some 170's and 190's to markets SW can't or won't serve) it will be even leaner and meaner.

Bedford isn't the greatest guy to work under, but he grew the hell out of Mesaba and he's done the same thing to CHQ.

He's not an idiot, some of these Southwest guys thinking they are going to roll into DEN and steal the show need to open their eye's and see what a smart business man this guy really is.

Southwest will be able to compete in some of F9's markets, but not all. F9's product is (and hopefully will stay) radically different as well.

This is far from over and considering Bedford's track record I am curious to see what he has up his sleeve (and yes this doesn't mean it will be all good for his employees...he's about the $$$ and success...if the employees happen to share in it it's an afterthought).

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

It doesn't mean that at all, you dolt. Southwest has NEVER furloughed a pilot, EVER. We'd reduce our line values to the extent necessary to keep everyone. We've done it before, and if need be, we'll do it again. Why don't you read "Nuts" and try to learn what it's like at a real carrier...not one where the Captain has to put the crew's rooms on his credit card?

Ok, i'll post this again...SWA wanted only 80% of the planes which meant 80% of the pilots...which means i would have been on the street...which means that the company with "the strongest finances of the pax carriers" would have furloughed from day one. I may have said that in another thread though, so i'll give ya some lee way.

 

[FlyinPiker]

It doesn't mean that at all, you dolt. Southwest has NEVER furloughed a pilot, EVER. We'd reduce our line values to the extent necessary to keep everyone. We've done it before, and if need be, we'll do it again. Why don't you read "Nuts" and try to learn what it's like at a real carrier...not one where the Captain has to put the crew's rooms on his credit card?

You asked her to dance and she said NO.

Get over it.

 

[stratus72]

It doesn't mean that at all, you dolt. Southwest has NEVER furloughed a pilot, EVER. We'd reduce our line values to the extent necessary to keep everyone. We've done it before, and if need be, we'll do it again. Why don't you read "Nuts" and try to learn what it's like at a real carrier...not one where the Captain has to put the crew's rooms on his credit card?

I'd bet the chances are very good you will furlough in the next 12-18 months...if that. Listen to yourself, dolt! You really think nothing will happen to SWA? Again, look at all the former heavyweights out there struggling to survive. I'm emberassed for you.

 

[avrodriver]

I'd bet the chances are very good you will furlough in the next 12-18 months...if that. Listen to yourself, dolt! You really think nothing will happen to SWA? Again, look at all the former heavyweights out there struggling to survive. I'm emberassed for you.

I don't know about Southwest furloughing anytime soon.

I do know that some of these guys need to actually take a look at the playing field and realize that it's a little early to say the "fat lady's singing".

I'm embarrassed for a lot of these SW guys posting as well.

None of them are a fair representation of the friends I know that work there.

 

[Tanker Clown]

How come Gary Kelly didn't up the bid. If he wanted F9 bad enough, couldn't he have just bought his way out of the labor deal...or just blew the labor part off and let they pilots work it out in arbitration?

Maybe Frontier's numbers weren't as good as everyone thought. It looks like he wanted them bad enough he could have steam rolled Republic.

Whatever. Looks like it will be that much easier for me to get on with SWA.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

You know so much about our finances, we should hire you in HQ...especially since you went to law school, not business school. BTW, did you graduate from law school? If so, why are you so worried about losing your job at a bankrupt carrier? Were you disbarred, or didn't pass the bar exam? Inquiring minds want to know.

I'd bet the chances are very good you will furlough in the next 12-18 months...if that. Listen to yourself, dolt! You really think nothing will happen to SWA? Again, look at all the former heavyweights out there struggling to survive. I'm emberassed for you.

 

[stratus72]

I don't know about Southwest furloughing anytime soon.

I do know that some of these guys need to actually take a look at the playing field and realize that it's a little early to say the "fat lady's singing".

I'm embarrassed for a lot of these SW guys posting as well.

None of them are a fair representation of the friends I know that work there.

I have no doubt SWA employees are a great group of people...just few clowns posting on here. We all have them.