For the life of me I cannot believe f9 pilots turned down a seniority number as wn. Sure there would have been job losses, but if you think there wont be any at Republic, you are dreaming. Republic has no clue how to compete with the big boys. What about career expectations for F9 pilots? Someone told me that 60% of F9 pilots have aps at WN, your senior negotiators just screwed you. Good luck F9 pilots, i wish you and your family's the best and I hope im wrong in my analysis. Time will tell.....
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ummmm....nope.
bedford can't do that according to the scope language in the RAH CBA.
As if that never happens at any airline.
Luckily SWAPA was going to give it's group the chance to vote on any SLI. Probably because the senior negotiators were trying to screw the junior guys over their first TA and it got defeated. Didn't want to make the same mistake. However, you can bet there probably won't be a senior guy holding office again in the next few elections.
You keep bringing this possible short term issue up over & over again. It was stated that WN would reduce monthly flight hours to keep EVERYBODY working. They never had a pilot on the street, and aren't going to stick it to anyone now. That's the kind of concept your missing with WNs people friendly environment... Something F9 pilots aren't use to; sticking together. It's too late now, were closer to being on the street than we ever were. FAPA blew it and we all know it. Shortsightedness has it's price, the piper is going to come knocking with a bigger stick than before & the competition is going to be ruthless. Wait and see... But wait, were blind.
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Hey FAPA Pilots.....you guys blew it, BIG TIME! SWAPA gave you 3 out of 4 items you wanted, all furloughed guys were going to be SWA Pilots. You gave up 7.3% 401k matching, profit sharing, a 40% pay raise... unreal! I feel bad for you guys. Seat protection GMAFB, bankrupt carrier. Your senior dudes blew it... Not SWAPA.
Good luck
Good luck
Maybe starchekr can, she seems to have it all figured out. I sure & the h e l l can't because we don't know what it is! Go FAPA
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Ok, i'll post this again...SWA wanted only 80% of the planes which meant 80% of the pilots...which means i would have been on the street...which means that the company with "the strongest finances of the pax carriers" would have furloughed from day one. I may have said that in another thread though, so i'll give ya some lee way.
Ok, and we will keep telling you we were going to have reduced lines to compensate for the 100 pilots (20%). I'd like to see the furlough offer ??? We communicated completely and sounds like your union did not for you guys. Now, you are owned and controlled by a company with no negotiations covered, zip! Hope it works out. You'll give us lee way ? Get the facts straight dude. Just to be clear, I/We are fine with the deal the way it ended. Were still getting sleep at night, I sure hope you guys are
If you really work for RAH, you can't be that naive. You know damn well BB and his mini-me will find a loop hole or just disregard the IBT CBA.
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SWAFO, please go ask your MA committee about the recall rights of the "excess" FAPA pilots.
Half of our pilot group (captains) were going to lose QOL and remain at their current pay or experience a small raise. They simply did not want to become a furlough shock-absorber and sit reserve for the same or close to the same pay.
20% (at least), were going to be furloughed on "day one", and their recall rights were not clear.
The FO's that kept their jobs were the only ones that would have experienced any benefit.
Destroy an entire airline and put 4300 people on the street just so 150 FO's could get raises and a number at SWA?
If you are going to make a claim, I recommend that you go directly to the source within SWAPA and ensure the accuracy of your claim.
My post is 110% accurate.
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I have nothing but respect for the FAPA pilots. They had some choices to make and they did what they thought was right for them. I would have loved to have you guys on board but I gotta say, I'm kinda happy about the outcome, too. I think we had 2 very proud groups and we would have had poisoned relations no matter how it was going to end up. The anger from whomever "got shafted" in the final deal would have never ended and this would have had a negative effect on Southwest Airlines. Denver would have been great but not at the expense of a fairly cohesive work group. Sorry if it got a bit emotional during the debate. It was not really personal...just business and trying to protect our junior pilots. I truly wish F9 good luck and hope it works out well for you and your families.
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Sorry your Capts were gonna get PAY PROTECTION to pull gear. How many other FOs have gotten pay protection from their previous job, when they came over to SWA? Answer NONE!
I believe all your guys would have been SWA Pilots.
U guys are nuts! I made 174,000 last year AS AN FO!
One thing is for sure Southwest Airlines takes care of their own. Good luck
I believe all your guys would have been SWA Pilots.
U guys are nuts! I made 174,000 last year AS AN FO!
One thing is for sure Southwest Airlines takes care of their own. Good luck
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Yawn........
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This is getting tiresome...
Yes, the captains were going to be pay protected. I acknowledged that in my post. That was not compelling enough for them to be on reserve and/or risk furlough.
While I am sure you "believe" that "all your guys would have been SWA pilots", the proposal that was presented to FAPA did not include all F9 pilots. Some were deemed to be "excess", and their recall rights were not included.
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The only bus you will get on is the short bus...
The 40 airplane deal was because we could have unloaded immediately the rest because of expired leases on the Airbii. We have enough 737's on the property or on order to absorb the guys with the increase in flying from F9. No pilots would have been furloughed. SW could have flicked a switch and had newhire classes for 60-100 a month until all were trained.
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Was the pay protection offered at current rates or at higher rates in place previous to a pay concession?
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