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Tim47SIP said:
I noticed Doug has a CR7 line this month. How long has he been out of the CP business? I have been out of the net on MLOA.

DH has been back on the line for probably 4 or 5 months now. I think he got sick of having to try to implement all the cr@p from above. personally I don't see why ANYONE would want to be a CP right now, considering that it's their job to sh1t all over the pilot group.

I think that MM is getting his marching orders from GG (ours, not theirs), and is doing what he is told in order to get his time in. I don't think he would create lines like this if he had a choice. But he is over there drinking kool-aid from an industrial size thermos.
 
atrdriver said:
...I don't see why ANYONE would want to be a CP right now...
...unless you thought you could fight the system from within. It's been known to happen.
 
CF34-3B1 said:
A "sick out" is an illegal job action.

A strike is not.

As far as a strike being premature, we are many, many months away from one anyway.


Thanks for "learning" me. I didn't know that. I'm getting smarter every day. What is CP?
 
Typhoon1244 said:
...unless you thought you could fight the system from within. It's been known to happen.

Well, we had 1 guy who we all thought was going to try to do just that, and it wasn't 3 months before he had emptied every store in town of kool aid. You aren't going to be a CP right now unless you are willing to be a "yes man" to the GO.
 
captain caveman said:
It is not an illegal job action to enter a write up in the discrepancy log when it occurs no matter where it occurs!

Illegal job action? It's your job and it's REQUIRED! Go over that airplane with a fine tooth comb every walk around, and WRITE IT UP! Even in foreign countries. "Safety is the most impoerant service we can provide".
Captains, do a few walk arounds!

captain caveman said:
It is not our job to perform the resets required to "clear" these problems.

No it's not. In fact, I'd opine that you're taking on a lot more liability than your pay grade justifies by doing so. DON'T DO IT!

captain caveman said:
CP told me today that Willie has been authorized to do some extreme $hit in January and that the CPs are unauthorized to overide his assignments. Get ready to accept assignments with protest.

Let the games begin! I'll bet the company loses that one in the long run. Pissed off employees make for pissed off customers. You are an army of one.
 
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VABB said:
I think there is a lot to worry about.

First, scabs. Yes, some will cross intially, then some later. Some will come from off the street. Looking at the current job market, there are still a lot of qualified pilots out there who would rather be flying jets than working at Home Depot. And looking at the conditions of the majors and the long-term prospects of the industry, I don't think too many people will be concerned with being called a scab. It's not like it will come up in the UAL interview anytime soon.

Second, Delta Air Lines. If they have too, they can drop ASA like a hot potato. They could, in theory, file Ch. 11 and use that to get rid of ASA. They would simply tell the courts it is part of their reorganization plan in an effort to streamline to be more efficient.

Delta could distribute the void in flying to other regionals, to include SkyWest and Comair. SkyWest could stand to get a lot of ASA's equipment and routes, and being non-union they could be a viable candidate. Also, look at the other regionals out there who are looking for work. The carriers operating under US Airways Express would also be good candidates. If Delta had to, they might be interested in code-sharing with Independence Air. As a last resort, Delta could add some parked aircraft of it's own to pick up some of these flights. And as even last-last resort, Delta could cut ASA, take the assets, and start up another carrier.

There is no shortage of carriers out there who could pick up ASA's flying, whether it be through a code-share or a long-term agreement.

Third, pilot shortage. Finding pilots would not be a hard job for Delta, especially with a lot of RJ qualified people on the streets already looking for work. Also, can you imagine how many people would cross a picket line at ASA if Delta were to go down to ERAU and recruit people right out of school for an FO position? They would stampede all over each other to get there. Personnel will be found.

Finally, I think a short-term strike COULD be beneficial. I say that only because it would get the airline's attention. Who wants negative publicity, especially after what happened last week with Comair and US Airways. A long-term strike could have negative consequences though. Personally, if that were to happen, it's likely Delta would cut it's losses and run, leaving ASA out to dry.


You forgot one thing that will keep these proposed scabbers from actually doing it: broken kneecaps.

They make it pretty hard to fly.

ALPA has been known for quite some time as a "gentlemens union", unwilling to put their money where there mouths are. I wound not characrerize the ASA pilot group as a gentlemens club.
 
ifly4food said:
I wound not characrerize the ASA pilot group as a gentlemens club.
Yeah, I read in V1 Cut that we have some pirates on the property... :D

One more thing I wanted to comment on, speaking as the son of a full-term Eastern striker:
ASAFOE120 said:
Anyone who voted for a candidate just because he would be best for the airline industry is foolish. Some of us based our votes on our morals, not just which candidate would be best for the airline industry.
That's good. If the worst comes to pass and I end up jobless for several weeks or months, I'll make sure my family has a big bowl of morals to eat every night.

Idealism has to give way to realism eventually...and as far as I'm concerned, "I did not get a hummer from that woman" was not as offensive a lie as "Saddam has nuclear weapons."

But I digress...
 
Is it really that bad at ASA that we need to strike?

Hmmm...I guess 10 year FOs at Eagle would be happy to hold 70-seat captain with 5 years seniority!!!(complain to them!)

Also, we are hiring better looking flight attendants these days too!!!!

Just keep building that Winglet & Bling Bling time and you will all be ASA OK!!!
hehe
 
ifly4food said:
Let's get this thread back on subject, or I'll close it!


WELL CLOSE IT BIATCH.......We don't take threats too well little man......


Lets talk about the latest news on personal hygein...you ever get that "not so fresh feeling?"
 
It's the fifth. I've been extended once, drafted once and had a failed attempt at a draft. The month is getting interesting and we've only begun. The game is on.
 
Has anyone looked at the open time pot....it's HUGE! We are not properly staffed, and we don't have enough contractually required reserves to cover the open flying.


Did the company not know these planes were arriving....like "OH my GOD...Another one just appeared on the RAMP!"

I simply don't understand how we can not have enough people on line, when they had so much lead time.
 
"WELL CLOSE IT BIATCH.......We don't take threats too well little man"

Watch yourself Ifly, he bought his job, proves he's unstable and prone to poor decisions. Never know what to expect.
 
AFELLOWAVIATOR said:
WELL CLOSE IT BIATCH.......We don't take threats too well little man......


Lets talk about the latest news on personal hygein...you ever get that "not so fresh feeling?"

This thread is closed and AFELLOWAVIATOR is in the penalty box for three days!
 
The thread had been edited of non-topical political arguments and re-opened. Let's keep it on the original topic.

If4f,
moderator
 
Impressive. The power is just awesome. It's abuse is also childish.
 
surplus1 said:
Impressive. The power is just awesome. It's abuse is also childish.

Agreed. Second thread which this action has occured.
 

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