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"Failed" Strike at ASA?

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Typhoon1244 said:
Okay, I'll admit it: I just had an ugly picture painted in my head by a certain former EAL striker, and I need someone to hold me and tell me everything'll be okay. :)

I've noticed that since the informational picketing began in ATL a while back, my fellow ASA pilots have become more and more militant. It seems everybody I talk to is "ready to walk."

The question that was put to me is this: if the ASA pilots are released and walk, what's to stop the company from cutting the strikers off at the knees by taking ASA's assets and scabs--and let's not kid ourselves; there will be scabs--and rolling them into the rest of DCI (i.e. Comair), thus eliminating us troublesome ASA pilots altogether?

Is such a scenario worth worrying about? Or is this unlikely?


I would say unlikely.

It would be an enormous task to cover our flying. Remember, we will have nearly 50% of all DAL ATL departures starting 1 Feb. They couldn't simply roll our "assets" (does any wholly owned DCI actually have any real assets?) into someone else because there would be no one trained quickly enough to operate those assets. This is the same question the Comair pilots successfully answered in '00.

As for scabs, I find that doubtful too. True, we have seen many pilots out there willing to do our job for less, but that doesn't mean they're ready to cross a picket line and face the consequences of doing such. Comair did not attempt to hire scabs, and the only scabs from that strike were management pilots who "volunteered" to move airplanes around in non revenue operations.

Regarding pilot militency, I would agree that it is the highest I've ever seen it. Our management has been following the principle of "the beatings will continue until morale improves" for quite some time, and it clearly doesn't work.
I would say that many of our FOs and even some captains are ready to outright quit and find work outside the industry if this contract doesn't meet our expectations.

This job is fun, but it's not worth the abuse we get for our compensation level. If our corrupt, ignorant, abusive, power hungry, inept, good old boy, TWA killing management team doesn't realize how tired our pilots are of the abuse, they will see this company tank just like the last company they tried to run. (Yeah, Thibadeau helped run TWA into the ground, and brought his management techniques and some buddies down with him).

Our best bet is actually not to strike. Angry employees make for unhappy customers. Ask US Air. That's the lesson our management is learning the hard way.
 
ASAFOE120 said:
Anyone who voted for a candidate just because he would be best for the airline industry is foolish. Some of us based our votes on our morals, not just which candidate would be best for the airline industry.
And what morals would that be?
 
Beware the Ides of March

Half of the CRJ's are owned by DAL at both Comair & ASA. Watch out for a back door sale to Skywest of those a/c. They want them so they can consumate deal for UAX contract. Fred bought too many RJ's. Look for big RJET 170 order if that happens.
 
lowecur said:
Fred bought too many RJ's. Look for big RJET 170 order if that happens.
Who's going to get the E170s? My guess is that CHQ will get E170 orders, DAL will off load some older RJ50s from ASA/CMR and replace them with some newer RJ70s. DAL likes fleet simplification, introducing the E-170s into CRJ operations at ASA/CMR just increases costs.
 
FDJ2"Who's going to get the E170s? My guess is that CHQ will get E170 orders, DAL will off load some older RJ50s from ASA/CMR and replace them with some newer RJ70s. DAL likes fleet simplification, introducing the E-170s into CRJ operations at ASA/CMR just increases costs."

That's true.. I think the single fleet has been a big part of our success at CMR.....So will DAL pilots who get hired at ChickenTaco be Teamsters??? Or does DALPA care what union DALPA members join......will they be represented by both? Union Merger....call it ALPsters.....

Waco
 
ok... first of all, Count how many successful strikes there have been in the history of ALPA. Now, count how many successful airline strikes there have been under Bush's presidency. The later is a higher number (100%). Lest we forget that Comair's strike was successul in many respects and occured during President Bush's first term.


Now, what did you vote for?? Did you just blindly listen to ALPA or do you care about morals (i.e. not getting bj's in the white house), integrity, fairness and strong defense of our country when we are attacked (despite what other socialist countries such as France say about it). ASA can and will, if necessary, have a succesful strike just like Comair did under Bush. The only difference is Comair's strike was during the official recession (March - october 2001) and ASA is negotiating in a very strong economy. There is no reason ASA should not top Comair's rates and benefits, without a strike.
 
Wacopilot said:
So will DAL pilots who get hired at ChickenTaco be Teamsters??? Or does DALPA care what union DALPA members join......will they be represented by both? Union Merger....call it ALPsters.....

Waco


From what I have been told, unless you are employed, you are not really a member of the union. Ask yourself this, do the furloughed guys pay dues or get a vote? I see no problem with them working at CHQ and being in their union.
 
twobits said:
Lest we forget that Comair's strike was successul in many respects...
But did the Comair guys win the battle and lose the war?
 
Wacopilot said:
CMR.....So will DAL pilots who get hired at ChickenTaco be Teamsters??? Or does DALPA care what union DALPA members join......will they be represented by both? Union Merger....call it ALPsters.....

Waco
Waco, it's really not too complicated. If they are hired and employed at CHQ they will be represented by the Teamsters at CHQ, just as if a furloughed pilot were hired at World, or if a furloughed pilot works at UPS he'll be represented by the IPA, or Airtran by the NPA, it's no big deal.
 

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