FAA won't back training requirements

[Bringupthebird]

Ahhhhhhh sorry, but I could go with the premiss(???) but HE HELD THE DAMN STICK IN HIS CHEST THE ENTIRE TIME!!!!! If as you say he thought it was tail ice (I content he wasent smart enough to know tail ice from a slushy drink ice) and it did not work he would try something else anything else stand on his damn head chanting Galec proverbs if he had too.....that is the difference from a true professional that knows his craft and this guy......if you know your stuff then you keep trying till you die or fix it....most of us fix it in time! Unfortunately for the poor pax he was not capable THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE!!!!

I wouldn't be so quick to assume what he did or didn't know. There are many accidents attributable to a mindset that focuses on one possible problem at the exclusion of all others. The F/O's lack of experience didn't give her anything to add to solving the problem.

I would bet that the Colgan Captain, being a more mature pilot that started later in life would be less impulsive than to simply ignore all previous training and haul back on the stick as a panic reaction.

 

[Lear70]

I would bet that the Colgan Captain, being a more mature pilot that started later in life would be less impulsive than to simply ignore all previous training and haul back on the stick as a panic reaction.

On the surface, I would agree with you,,,

but then,,,

there's the matter of his pi$$-poor training record.

I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt in this case. Unfortunately, we'll never know what he was thinking... would be helpful for a LOT of reasons; future training of every pilot out there thinking about this situation is at the top of that list.

 

[igneousy2]

I looked at the animation...I think it's pretty clear he fixated on the attitude indicator and his altimeter and omitted the asi from his scan. He actually climbed in the first few mili-seconds. I doubt the tail stall hypothesis. I think he recognized the autopilot got disconnected and was trying to keep altitude and the wings level. I bet the fact that the shaker and pusher were going just added to the confusion. The animation reminded me of teaching students stalls in a 152 when they failed to add enough right rudder during power-on stalls. They would lock the controls to their chest and watch the altimeter unwind in disbelief as the nose dropped and the wing whipped over without a clue what to do even though you just had a full review of the spin ground training before you got to the practice area.

It's pretty clear to me that a few hundred hours of flight instruction would have been of great benefit to the Colgan crew.