FAA settles on CO Denver crash victims

[tico]

From power up on take-off until cleaned up and flying and from minimums on approach until stopped at the gate are 100 percent pilot/captain responsibility. It can not be any other way.

 

[BillJBrake]

I've never seen a -500 in LBB with wingelts. With 8/26 and 17R/35L why would you land with a 35kt xwind?

You could see some LUV planes without winglets in DTW Saturday!

 

[XR650R]

I would sue the windsock if it was up to me..

 

[j41driver]

Two professional with a differing opinion. So who was right?

I thought it was obvious that I was right.

 

[OPECJet]

Two professional with a differing opinion. So who was right? Any facts to back up either style? I assert that being in this industry longer doesn't necessarily make you better a better pilot.

C'mon. Being told not to use ailerons because there's no T/O data for having a spoiler extended is crap. It's got nothing to do with a difference of opinion and reeks of a check airman with small man syndrome.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

C'mon. Being told not to use ailerons because there's no T/O data for having a spoiler extended is crap. It's got nothing to do with a difference of opinion and reeks of a check airman with small man syndrome.

I thought the same thing too when I heard it from a check airman during my OE. I was just wondering if I was missing something. That's why I asked if someone had a reference. You know there are plenty of check airman with small man syndrome who read these boards.

Y'all need to lighten up.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

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[waveflyer]

From power up on take-off until cleaned up and flying and from minimums on approach until stopped at the gate are 100 percent pilot/captain responsibility. It can not be any other way.

Thank you.(!)

 

[Andy]

C'mon. Being told not to use ailerons because there's no T/O data for having a spoiler extended is crap. It's got nothing to do with a difference of opinion and reeks of a check airman with small man syndrome.

Aircraft data: measure with a micrometer, cut it with an ax, and fly it +10/-5.
I won't even get into the concept that the engines on each aircraft have thrust output tolerances.

And this guy was worried about the additional drag of a barely extended spoiler at low speeds?

 

[scoreboardII]

I always chuckle at the ones when he releases brakes and push the power up in a crosswind takeoff, he then mashes the yolk full forward and turns the wheel over 45 degree's. Like thats going to help at 5 knots ground speed... It's usually the same ones who cant flair without pumping the column at about 6 cycles per second.

 

[dz505]

From power up on take-off until cleaned up and flying and from minimums on approach until stopped at the gate are 100 percent pilot/captain responsibility. It can not be any other way.

Spot on

 

[airplane wizard]

I always chuckle at the ones when he releases brakes and push the power up in a crosswind takeoff, he then mashes the yolk full forward and turns the wheel over 45 degree's. Like thats going to help at 5 knots ground speed... It's usually the same ones who cant flair without pumping the column at about 6 cycles per second.

Why would anyone mimic the stick shaker??

 

[waveflyer]

I always chuckle at the ones when he releases brakes and push the power up in a crosswind takeoff, he then mashes the yolk full forward and turns the wheel over 45 degree's. Like thats going to help at 5 knots ground speed... It's usually the same ones who cant flair without pumping the column at about 6 cycles per second.

I don't pump any columns, but I will put in a crosswind correction at 40-50 kts when needed and roll it out as the controls get more effective-
It's still an airplane and it'll fly better straight down the runway with a little spoiler out than it will in a ditch-

Again- not hanging the pilot for that bc I agree with the NTSB training barely touches on transport category aerodynamics if at all and we've all seen enough that ideas on the subject are varied at best-

I'm just saying 100% you don't get a payout from the FAA and it's still our responsibility no matter what ATC tells you.


"Probable Cause

The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the captain's cessation of rudder input, which was needed to maintain directional control of the airplane, about 4 seconds before the excursion, when the airplane encountered a strong and gusty crosswind that exceeded the captain's training and experience."

^^^^doesnt deserve a payout unless he was lied to- and even then- it should be our responsibility- PERIOD- dont want that responsibility, fly a desk and complain with the rest of society how overpaid pilots are.

 

[scoreboardII]

Key word, when needed, not at 5 knots, heck, not even at 50 knots.

 

[waveflyer]

Agreed.