FAA settles on CO Denver crash victims

[dz505]

From power up on take-off until cleaned up and flying and from minimums on approach until stopped at the gate are 100 percent pilot/captain responsibility. It can not be any other way.

Spot on

 

[airplane wizard]

I always chuckle at the ones when he releases brakes and push the power up in a crosswind takeoff, he then mashes the yolk full forward and turns the wheel over 45 degree's. Like thats going to help at 5 knots ground speed... It's usually the same ones who cant flair without pumping the column at about 6 cycles per second.

Why would anyone mimic the stick shaker??

 

[waveflyer]

I always chuckle at the ones when he releases brakes and push the power up in a crosswind takeoff, he then mashes the yolk full forward and turns the wheel over 45 degree's. Like thats going to help at 5 knots ground speed... It's usually the same ones who cant flair without pumping the column at about 6 cycles per second.

I don't pump any columns, but I will put in a crosswind correction at 40-50 kts when needed and roll it out as the controls get more effective-
It's still an airplane and it'll fly better straight down the runway with a little spoiler out than it will in a ditch-

Again- not hanging the pilot for that bc I agree with the NTSB training barely touches on transport category aerodynamics if at all and we've all seen enough that ideas on the subject are varied at best-

I'm just saying 100% you don't get a payout from the FAA and it's still our responsibility no matter what ATC tells you.


"Probable Cause

The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the captain's cessation of rudder input, which was needed to maintain directional control of the airplane, about 4 seconds before the excursion, when the airplane encountered a strong and gusty crosswind that exceeded the captain's training and experience."

^^^^doesnt deserve a payout unless he was lied to- and even then- it should be our responsibility- PERIOD- dont want that responsibility, fly a desk and complain with the rest of society how overpaid pilots are.

 

[scoreboardII]

Key word, when needed, not at 5 knots, heck, not even at 50 knots.

 

[waveflyer]

Agreed.

 

[tankerhead]

Why would anyone mimic the stick shaker??

Always a little shocking on the first leg when someone does this. I mean, BURIES the freakin yoke in his crotch three times per second at 3 ft AGL on a smooth evening with zero wind. It's hard not to giggle or let loose a hearty WTF. Two legs later, same thing, repeat for three or four days.. I think most of em don't even know they're doing it.

 

[ForgedBlade]

Several years ago, I had a check airman at AT give me a real hard time because I used ailerons on the t/o roll despite the 25+ kts crosswind. He told me the we didn't have performance data for a t/o with one of the roll spoilers even partially deployed and the proper way to do a x-wind t/o is to leave the aileron neutral until rotation. Reeeaally? After some discussion at cruise, we ended up agreeing to disagree....

It may or may not be a matter of lacking data, but the simple fact is that when you use aileron on the takeoff roll, you introduce the spoilers. When the spoilers come up, there is an incredible amount of drag placed on the wing you are rolling in to. At least in the 737, you do not need to use ailerons on the takeoff roll - I've done it that way for years in some wicked winds and it has never been a problem - AS LONG AS YOU PROPERLY CORRECT WITH THE RUDDER.

The Captain of this flight f---ed up, plain and simple, and the fact that he got a payout is a total joke. If he's been at this airline, then he's obviously landed in IAH many times - the wind data there is always all over the map too. This career field has been so dumbed-down already, yet now we get rewarded for screwing up? Really? Sounds like the CEO mentality is trickling down after all.

 

[GogglesPisano]

. It's usually the same ones who cant flair without pumping the column at about 6 cycles per second.

Fun to watch. They usually have some thrust up until touchdown, as well. They make it look so hard. Then I make it look so easy. Idle by 20 ft. One smooth flare motion, fingertip pressure at the very last second. By the third day you'd think they'd learn from me, but they don't.

 

[Toobdrvr]

My new hero...

 

[airplane wizard]

I always chuckle at the ones when he releases brakes and push the power up in a crosswind takeoff, he then mashes the yolk full forward and turns the wheel over 45 degree's. Like thats going to help at 5 knots ground speed... It's usually the same ones who cant flair without pumping the column at about 6 cycles per second.

Would the A320 let you do that in normal law?