FAA Age 60 rule rescinded

[Tail Gunner Joe]

Sorry, DCAA320, you get no sympathy from me.
If the PIC wants to sleep all the way to DUB and the SIC wants to sleep all the way back, and you have to sit up front the whole way (except takeoff and landing) -- It is your fault for bidding the I.R.O. position.

Protip: On your next monthly bid try - Avoid Capt. xxxx, or Avoid IRO.

 

[kwick]

Nice skirt, Nancy.

Only the pu$$iest of men whine like b---es over "discrrrriiiiiminaaation!!!!'.

Seriously, way too many guys have completely given themselves over to the whiny, victim-oriented way of thinking. You're like, the Lena Dunham of FI. Lololzlzlzlz.!!!!!

Hey the KKK is calling, they want
to return the the fifties with you, where you
can discriminate against everyone
that isn't just like you!

Grow up!

 

[kwick]

Crazy as this statement is, it's not even true



What percent of blacks and women are airline pilots ?

I would not call moving up 6%. really moving up . That is if everyone of them was senior to you.


Where as I am sure most over age 60 pilots are senior to you .


I agree with the others posters ,this is a crazy off the wall comment .

Yeah, but if you throw in Hispanics, and Jews, and Catholics, and Muslims,
and everyone else that isn't just like you, you'll move up even more.

 

[weasel_lips]

Close this thread.

 

[DCAA320]

Sorry, DCAA320, you get no sympathy from me.
If the PIC wants to sleep all the way to DUB and the SIC wants to sleep all the way back, and you have to sit up front the whole way (except takeoff and landing) -- It is your fault for bidding the I.R.O. position.

Protip: On your next monthly bid try - Avoid Capt. xxxx, or Avoid IRO.

I agree with you 100% when I am IRO, but he cannot say "117 requires it."

When I flew with him as part as a 2 man crew, me and him, he slept his ass off in the cockpit.

I picked up the trip in open time.

 

[Flopgut]

Hey the KKK is calling, they want
to return the the fifties with you, where you
can discriminate against everyone
that isn't just like you!

Grow up!

Yeah, but if you throw in Hispanics, and Jews, and Catholics, and Muslims,
and everyone else that isn't just like you, you'll move up even more.

^^^^^^^
Age 65 poster boy

 

[Flopgut]

Sorry, DCAA320, you get no sympathy from me.
If the PIC wants to sleep all the way to DUB and the SIC wants to sleep all the way back, and you have to sit up front the whole way (except takeoff and landing) -- It is your fault for bidding the I.R.O. position.

Protip: On your next monthly bid try - Avoid Capt. xxxx, or Avoid IRO.

Not even close to how you want to use an IRO.

But yeah, don't bid it is good advice. Then also pass the word on how the CA does things. That will take care of itself pretty quick

 

[densoo]

Hey dumbass, I didn't need any rest on that flight. What I resented was his attitude, his misquoting 117, and him coming to work tired. On taxi out I told him get back on the taxi line, which was lighted.

If you read the thread this guy slept most of our previous flight, to Shannon, in the cockpit so when he incorrectly states what 117 requires, YES I was IN HIS FACE.

PIC, I was single piloted across the Atlantic.

PIC, that gives you a right to be a lazy ass and stupid? I don't even sleep during the breaks. It was an 8 hour duty day, Jesus F Christ.

3.5, no moron, he stated the pilot monitoring gets 90 minutes also, I just said MF go take your break. He misinterpreted the rule, like you. Do the math. We bring everyone up 30 minutes prior to landing.

Don't know your background, taking off and landing is generally uneventful in B767, the decision making in between sometimes takes the most thought.

You did right by telling him to stay on the taxi line. Safety first. Did you also tell him that you thought he certified fit for duty in error and that flying fatigued is unsafe? While not required, it is encouraged to elevate this issue if you feel strongly enough about it (for instance strong enough to post on a public forum how a captain "slept all the way to SNN in the cockpit" and "he slept his ass off in the cockpit"). An FSAP may be in order.

As far as your 3.5 hours in first class, I stand corrected, it was only 3.0 hours.

 

[Dan Roman]

Hey dumbass, I didn't need any rest on that flight. What I resented was his attitude, his misquoting 117, and him coming to work tired. On taxi out I told him get back on the taxi line, which was lighted.

If you read the thread this guy slept most of our previous flight, to Shannon, in the cockpit so when he incorrectly states what 117 requires, YES I was IN HIS FACE.

PIC, I was single piloted across the Atlantic.

PIC, that gives you a right to be a lazy ass and stupid? I don't even sleep during the breaks. It was an 8 hour duty day, Jesus F Christ.

3.5, no moron, he stated the pilot monitoring gets 90 minutes also, I just said MF go take your break. He misinterpreted the rule, like you. Do the math. We bring everyone up 30 minutes prior to landing.

Don't know your background, taking off and landing is generally uneventful in B767, the decision making in between sometimes takes the most thought.

This sounds like a CRM issue, plain and simple....not sure what it has to do with age 60??? There are jerks at any age.
Judging from your posts I'm wondering if the poor communication was a 2 way deal, it usually is when CRM issues pop up.

 

[DCAA320]

As far as your 3.5 hours in first class, I stand corrected, it was only 3.0 hours.

I wasn't clear enough, 2.0 for him, 1.5 for SIC, which once again, I wouldn't mind, just don't tell me 117 requires this.

Just go ahead, say I am a wus, and I am going back to nap. I'll say cool, have the FAs bring me some coffee, problem solved.

Have a nice day, off to Europe

 

[DCAA320]

Not even close to how you want to use an IRO.

But yeah, don't bid it is good advice. Then also pass the word on how the CA does things. That will take care of itself pretty quick

He is well know which is probably why the trip was open. I don't usually pick up IRO stuff but it looked like a quick easy trip.

I have been flying international since the inception of 117 and this was the first time anyone verbalized it the way he did. I have told guys who commute in (you can tell sometimes) sleep as long as you like.

 

[DCAA320]

....not sure what it has to do with age 60???

He is over 60 and needs lots of sleep on the plane

There are jerks at any age.

True

................

 

[densoo]

I wasn't clear enough, 2.0 for him, 1.5 for SIC, which once again, I wouldn't mind, just don't tell me 117 requires this.

Just go ahead, say I am a wus, and I am going back to nap. I'll say cool, have the FAs bring me some coffee, problem solved.

Have a nice day, off to Europe

Have a safe trip. As far as your experience, live and learn. When I got senior enough I got the coveted one day 9+ hour Caribbean IRO turn. Top of climb, before I left the cockpit, the FO (pilot monitoring) said he was going back for his rest. Four hours of radio calls later, at top of descent, FO comes back up for the descent and landing. Hmm. On the way back, top of climb, before I left the cockpit, the captain (pilot monitoring) said he was going back for his rest. Four hours of radio calls later, at top of descent, captain comes back up for the descent and landing. Needless to say when I got home I was wasted. Last time I ever bid IRO.

 

[Flopgut]

This would be like reaching top of decent, and having a captain insist that in the event an abnormal requires 02, he doesn't want any wasted on an IRO. So he/she has the IRO asphyxiated and their body thrown in the trash.

Which come to think of it, the way the age 65 rule was written, that's pretty much what happened to the junior guys.

Use the IRO the right way and defend that crew position! This is a safety issue. But it's also a unity issue. Some of the most blatant disregard I've seen for both unity and safety are from pro 65 guys. And it should be the opposite.

 

[densoo]

Use the IRO the right way and defend that crew position! This is a safety issue. But it's also a unity issue.

That's it. I'll never forgot those two as a long as I fly. The captain hit 60 and had to retire before the rule changed. Sadly, I was delighted about that. The FO was a secret agent (wore nondescript black windbreaker whenever possible so as to not be recognized as a pilot) and listed his first name on the company intranet as simply an an initial, which propagated to his company ID so no one knew his real name. Even wore the wrap around blackout sunglasses inside. He was Mr Cool from top to bottom and has disappeared into the 10,000+ pilots of a merged airline.

 

[ghostrider64]

Over 60 was to further help the most selfish generation in history.

Clearly you've never met my teenage daughter...

 

[kwick]

^^^^^^^
Age 65 poster boy

Better than a Nazi poster boy!

 

[DCAA320]

Have a safe trip. As far as your experience, live and learn. When I got senior enough I got the coveted one day 9+ hour Caribbean IRO turn. Top of climb, before I left the cockpit, the FO (pilot monitoring) said he was going back for his rest. Four hours of radio calls later, at top of descent, FO comes back up for the descent and landing. Hmm. On the way back, top of climb, before I left the cockpit, the captain (pilot monitoring) said he was going back for his rest. Four hours of radio calls later, at top of descent, captain comes back up for the descent and landing. Needless to say when I got home I was wasted. Last time I ever bid IRO.

Hey densoo, sorry for calling you names, I thought you were just talking $hit before.

What those guys did to you is crap, haven't seen that at my airline. Most FO's (IRO"S) get along. The one guy I mention is the only one who I have questioned.

 

[densoo]

Hey densoo, sorry for calling you names, I thought you were just talking $hit before.

What those guys did to you is crap, haven't seen that at my airline. Most FO's (IRO"S) get along. The one guy I mention is the only one who I have questioned.

Well, to be honest, I guess on the one post I was giving you s--t, in sarcasm, but I expected you to call me names for it too since I deserved it! We've all suffered under some strange characters and the only good lesson to take from it is to try not to be that way when the roles are reversed.

 

[waveflyer]

Clearly you've never met my teenage daughter...

Teens are self absorbed in their natural development.which manifest outwardly in a lot of self directed ways- selfish, self conscious, self loathing. Do your best to teach and wait it out.

There are no developmental excuses for a generation of baby boomer freeloaders