FAA Age 60 rule rescinded

[rjacobs]

Im not up on the international rules(just a lowely regional CA), but an IRO on a 5.5 hour flight? Seems excessive. Unless I am missing something. Does it have to do with the time zone change? Required on the way back so they just staff it going over too?

And an IRO on a turn that wont exceed 9 hours(under most circumstances?)?

Again, I am not up to speed on 117 and international flights.

 

[densoo]

Had a 5.5 hour flight as an IRO the other day, captain demanded 2 hours of rest, wtf. He claimed it was required per 117, I said that's not exactly how it reads?

"Demanded"? Was 3.5 hours of sleep in first class not enough? How dare he wake you from your rest. Who do these PICs think they are?

 

[waveflyer]

Over 60 was to further help the most selfish generation in history.

Yep- well said

If only they cared and could bring themselves to at least admit it to themselves-
Their lifestyle in many professions has been inflated by the generation before and after their own.

 

[DCAA320]

Im not up on the international rules(just a lowely regional CA), but an IRO on a 5.5 hour flight? Seems excessive. Unless I am missing something. Does it have to do with the time zone change? Required on the way back so they just staff it going over too? YES

And an IRO on a turn that wont exceed 9 hours(under most circumstances?)?

Again, I am not up to speed on 117 and international flights.

More so for return flight headed west from DUB. Today it was blocked 7:55 (DUB-PHL) so if there was a delay in Ireland things would get close and require the IRO.

Not enough time zone changes.

Just like you sound, I was like WTF when he said 117 required 2 hours.

 

[DCAA320]

"Demanded"? Was 3.5 hours of sleep in first class not enough? How dare he wake you from your rest. Who do these PICs think they are?

Hey dumbass, I didn't need any rest on that flight. What I resented was his attitude, his misquoting 117, and him coming to work tired. On taxi out I told him get back on the taxi line, which was lighted.

If you read the thread this guy slept most of our previous flight, to Shannon, in the cockpit so when he incorrectly states what 117 requires, YES I was IN HIS FACE.

PIC, I was single piloted across the Atlantic.

PIC, that gives you a right to be a lazy ass and stupid? I don't even sleep during the breaks. It was an 8 hour duty day, Jesus F Christ.

3.5, no moron, he stated the pilot monitoring gets 90 minutes also, I just said MF go take your break. He misinterpreted the rule, like you. Do the math. We bring everyone up 30 minutes prior to landing.

Don't know your background, taking off and landing is generally uneventful in B767, the decision making in between sometimes takes the most thought.

 

[Tail Gunner Joe]

Sorry, DCAA320, you get no sympathy from me.
If the PIC wants to sleep all the way to DUB and the SIC wants to sleep all the way back, and you have to sit up front the whole way (except takeoff and landing) -- It is your fault for bidding the I.R.O. position.

Protip: On your next monthly bid try - Avoid Capt. xxxx, or Avoid IRO.

 

[kwick]

Nice skirt, Nancy.

Only the pu$$iest of men whine like b---es over "discrrrriiiiiminaaation!!!!'.

Seriously, way too many guys have completely given themselves over to the whiny, victim-oriented way of thinking. You're like, the Lena Dunham of FI. Lololzlzlzlz.!!!!!

Hey the KKK is calling, they want
to return the the fifties with you, where you
can discriminate against everyone
that isn't just like you!

Grow up!

 

[kwick]

Crazy as this statement is, it's not even true



What percent of blacks and women are airline pilots ?

I would not call moving up 6%. really moving up . That is if everyone of them was senior to you.


Where as I am sure most over age 60 pilots are senior to you .


I agree with the others posters ,this is a crazy off the wall comment .

Yeah, but if you throw in Hispanics, and Jews, and Catholics, and Muslims,
and everyone else that isn't just like you, you'll move up even more.

 

[weasel_lips]

Close this thread.

 

[DCAA320]

Sorry, DCAA320, you get no sympathy from me.
If the PIC wants to sleep all the way to DUB and the SIC wants to sleep all the way back, and you have to sit up front the whole way (except takeoff and landing) -- It is your fault for bidding the I.R.O. position.

Protip: On your next monthly bid try - Avoid Capt. xxxx, or Avoid IRO.

I agree with you 100% when I am IRO, but he cannot say "117 requires it."

When I flew with him as part as a 2 man crew, me and him, he slept his ass off in the cockpit.

I picked up the trip in open time.

 

[Flopgut]

Hey the KKK is calling, they want
to return the the fifties with you, where you
can discriminate against everyone
that isn't just like you!

Grow up!

Yeah, but if you throw in Hispanics, and Jews, and Catholics, and Muslims,
and everyone else that isn't just like you, you'll move up even more.

^^^^^^^
Age 65 poster boy

 

[Flopgut]

Sorry, DCAA320, you get no sympathy from me.
If the PIC wants to sleep all the way to DUB and the SIC wants to sleep all the way back, and you have to sit up front the whole way (except takeoff and landing) -- It is your fault for bidding the I.R.O. position.

Protip: On your next monthly bid try - Avoid Capt. xxxx, or Avoid IRO.

Not even close to how you want to use an IRO.

But yeah, don't bid it is good advice. Then also pass the word on how the CA does things. That will take care of itself pretty quick

 

[densoo]

Hey dumbass, I didn't need any rest on that flight. What I resented was his attitude, his misquoting 117, and him coming to work tired. On taxi out I told him get back on the taxi line, which was lighted.

If you read the thread this guy slept most of our previous flight, to Shannon, in the cockpit so when he incorrectly states what 117 requires, YES I was IN HIS FACE.

PIC, I was single piloted across the Atlantic.

PIC, that gives you a right to be a lazy ass and stupid? I don't even sleep during the breaks. It was an 8 hour duty day, Jesus F Christ.

3.5, no moron, he stated the pilot monitoring gets 90 minutes also, I just said MF go take your break. He misinterpreted the rule, like you. Do the math. We bring everyone up 30 minutes prior to landing.

Don't know your background, taking off and landing is generally uneventful in B767, the decision making in between sometimes takes the most thought.

You did right by telling him to stay on the taxi line. Safety first. Did you also tell him that you thought he certified fit for duty in error and that flying fatigued is unsafe? While not required, it is encouraged to elevate this issue if you feel strongly enough about it (for instance strong enough to post on a public forum how a captain "slept all the way to SNN in the cockpit" and "he slept his ass off in the cockpit"). An FSAP may be in order.

As far as your 3.5 hours in first class, I stand corrected, it was only 3.0 hours.

 

[Dan Roman]

Hey dumbass, I didn't need any rest on that flight. What I resented was his attitude, his misquoting 117, and him coming to work tired. On taxi out I told him get back on the taxi line, which was lighted.

If you read the thread this guy slept most of our previous flight, to Shannon, in the cockpit so when he incorrectly states what 117 requires, YES I was IN HIS FACE.

PIC, I was single piloted across the Atlantic.

PIC, that gives you a right to be a lazy ass and stupid? I don't even sleep during the breaks. It was an 8 hour duty day, Jesus F Christ.

3.5, no moron, he stated the pilot monitoring gets 90 minutes also, I just said MF go take your break. He misinterpreted the rule, like you. Do the math. We bring everyone up 30 minutes prior to landing.

Don't know your background, taking off and landing is generally uneventful in B767, the decision making in between sometimes takes the most thought.

This sounds like a CRM issue, plain and simple....not sure what it has to do with age 60??? There are jerks at any age.
Judging from your posts I'm wondering if the poor communication was a 2 way deal, it usually is when CRM issues pop up.

 

[DCAA320]

As far as your 3.5 hours in first class, I stand corrected, it was only 3.0 hours.

I wasn't clear enough, 2.0 for him, 1.5 for SIC, which once again, I wouldn't mind, just don't tell me 117 requires this.

Just go ahead, say I am a wus, and I am going back to nap. I'll say cool, have the FAs bring me some coffee, problem solved.

Have a nice day, off to Europe